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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 23 Nov 2019
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      And wetness is only a sensed quality because of brain patterns that were interconnected as self survival motivating drivers linked relevant environment models to give context and survive/thrive meaning to touching something wet.

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    2. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 23 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SurviveThrive2 @Plinz and

      Drifting away from the subject of consciousness but … this an evolutionary Just So Story? Is there value in believing it?

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    3. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 24 Nov 2019
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      Acknowledging that consciousness is simply the function of sensing and responding to data for self survival (which is different than a machine function) is more than inconsequential evolutionary semantics. It impacts everything from intelligence, ethics, behavior, self, to AI.

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    4. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 24 Nov 2019
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      It's the word 'Acknowledging' I can't go with. 'Believing' is the word I would put in there. I don't believe. Specifically I don't believe that either humanness or consciousness can be explained well by evolution So I agree with you on the impact; I expect some of it to be bad.

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    5. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 24 Nov 2019
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      Belief is more of a hope with slim evidence. Evolution which is generally well accepted, suggests that successful self survival, relative to environment pressures, determines heritable characteristics. It's odd that consciousness is considered an inexplicable exception. It isn't.

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    6. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 24 Nov 2019
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      No no it's not odd! To optimise a fitness function over cellular behaviour & gene selection, phenomenology is /utterly/ irrelevant. There cannot be pressure to select for it any more than calculating the fitness function on paper can select for the colour of ink it's written in.

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    7. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 24 Nov 2019
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      smh. If you conceptualize physiological affect as a fundamental characteristic of biological life, then your problem with phenomenology drops out. It “feels like something” to be a biological organism.

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    8. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 24 Nov 2019
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      And as the organism increases in size and evolves in complexity, that fundamental characteristic of physiological hedonic affect increases in acuity. The purpose of hedonic affect (positive/ negative valences) is to code survival values.

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    9. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 24 Nov 2019
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      I actually don’t see how you can correctly conceptualize biological evolution without characterizing affect as a fundamental aspect.

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    10. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 24 Nov 2019
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      You may be right … but I understand both Plinz & Clarity to be arguing for a 'hard' physicalism (material eliminativist re consciousness?) which insists that affect must first be understand as purely computational (plus biochemical?) If I've read them right?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Nov 2019
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      I am just arguing that the known alternatives to computationalism are not viable. Materialism is an unfortunate term because most people have strong unreflected intuitions about the nature of matter.

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