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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Sounds like a “user interface” for a biological robot, when you put it like that. But the idea is attractive. Have you written a paper along these lines?

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    2. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @Plinz and

      Are you basing this concept on Pribram & Bahm’s model of the holographic brain? That’s the first model which leapt to mind when you described the idea.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @chrisfcarroll and

      No, I am unaware of any relation of my thoughts to his, except very indirectly.

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    4. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Hmm. If we take the holographic principle described by Bohm and think of the brain as a holographic nested hierarchy, a logical conclusion would be a unitary holographic simulation (consciousness) emerging from a trillion individual holographic simulations (neurons).

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @chrisfcarroll and

      It seems to me that you are wantonly gluing intuition fragments together. That is fine because you don't try to implement any of that. But I don't think that things that cannot be implemented can be real.

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    6. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @chrisfcarroll and

      Exploring flashes of intuition can be helpful. And I doubt I hit the mark on this one, I agree. But you presented me with a fresh idea, which doesn’t happen every day. I’ve not considered this concept of consciousness as a simulation. It’s an exciting idea. Ty

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @chrisfcarroll and

      What is your goal? If you want to solve an existential issue, understanding consciousness probably won't help. If you want to solve consciousness, thinking in any other than a rigorous way won't help. Why are you doing this?

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    8. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @chrisfcarroll and

      Theoretical physics is a separate specialty from experimental physics. Theoreticians create models (hopefully containing testable hypothesis), and applied physics designs protocols to disprove those hypothesis. This arrangement has worked well, don’t you agree?

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    9. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @Plinz and

      My goal? To separate what is empirically valid from what is metaphysically derivative. To arrange the empirically valid models in a hierarchy of validity (a very complicated process) in an attempt to advance our understanding of consciousness.

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    10. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 22 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @Plinz and

      The ultimate goal is to develops a model which allows us to measure and quantify consciousness and thus allows us to empirically define consciousness.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @SimsYStuart @chrisfcarroll and

      Who is "us"? Do you attempt to build a community of people who are confused enough to think that they can first "measure" and even "quantify", and then "empirically define" consciousness? You literally don't know what you are talking about.

      10:57 AM - 23 Nov 2019
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        2. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 23 Nov 2019
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          The Community of the Confused. I agree, empirical definitions of consciousness might be impossible. Such complexity might very well be beyond our ability to quantify. But regardless of your opinion on this matter, there are many, many people who are unwilling to just give up.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Nov 2019
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          I don't suggest to give up. I am just not sure if you are thinking clearly enough right now to understand the existing work on the problem. For example, I am not sure if you understand 'complexity', and its relationship to 'quantification', and whether that is relevant here.

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        1. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 23 Nov 2019
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          You can measure a system's capacity to model and exploit models of the environment which is sensing and cognition, quantify and measure emotional drivers of behavior, as well as quantify and measure behaviors in an environment. What else about consciousness needs explaining?

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