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    1. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 14 Nov 2019
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      To be replaced by the problem of claiming that a "conceptualisation of subjective experiences as an emergent characteristic of affect" bears any connection to what our actual subjective experiences actually are.

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    2. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 14 Nov 2019
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      more generally, having a Hard Problem is rather better than not noticing that you have a Problem.

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    3. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 14 Nov 2019
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      Now mapping the precise causal mechanisms (neurochemical and neuroarchitectural) which elaborate brainstem affect into cortical subjective experience is certainly a very, very hard problem. But that problem is not a conceptual problem. It’s just a problem of system complexity.

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    4. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 14 Nov 2019
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      The conceptual problem that I see, is mapping a '3rd person' description of a brain to 1st person subjective experience. There is no such mapping?

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Nov 2019
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      I don’t think that the functional implementation of the mind and the conscious self exist in the same frame of reference. From the perspective of the self, phenomenal experience is primary, outside of it, there is no experience. The self is a story, the mind a story generator.

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    6. Stuart Sims‏ @SimsYStuart 14 Nov 2019
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      That’s my thinking as well - all of the nuances of our SE is a separate issue best left to philosophers. The relevant fact is that SE is an elaboration of organismic affect. Physiological affect is real. It exists and can be measured. SE exists and can be measured.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Nov 2019
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      You cannot leave anything to philosophers. At best, they are busy solving problems caused by other philosophers.

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    8. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 21 Nov 2019
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      Ha! A scientist saying this is entirely analogous to a driver saying, “you cannot leave anything to mechanics, at best they're busy solving problems caused by other mechanics”

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Nov 2019
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      Sorry for coming off as flippant. I think that most low hanging fruits in philosophy have been reaped long ago, and most of the present debates take place within very field specific contexts. In this sense philosophy is perhaps not different from math.

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    10. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 21 Nov 2019
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      It made me smile :-) I think parts of philosophy grow up & leave home. e.g. “Natural Philosophy” & Psychology. The parts not empirically decidable never do. I see great value in philosophy as an effort to notice what we otherwise assume without question.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Nov 2019
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      I am frustrated with the state of some academic philosophy though. The willingness to engage in hard topics without deep formal understanding, the mixed intellectual quality of discourse, the pretense, and the ease by which the community is captured by ideologies indicate crisis.

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        2. Chris F Carroll‏ @chrisfcarroll 21 Nov 2019
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          So I've got to ask, even if you avoid naming names, what areas or schools or approaches to philosophy annoy you? In PhilMind I think that Dennett Frankish Strawson Goff & others make a fair attempt to keep abreast of science.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 21 Nov 2019
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          I agree, they are quite firmly in the "not wrong" category. For instance, I enjoy reading Dennett, but I think that his accomplishments are mostly rebukes of the conceptual or argumentative missteps of other philosophers, while missing the question that these tried to address.

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