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    1. eripsa‏ @eripsa 13 Nov 2019
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      eripsa Retweeted pete wolfendale

      The % of philosophers of mind actually prepared to have this discussion is in the single digits. But y'all would rather have metaphysics debates from the 17th century.https://twitter.com/deontologistics/status/1194592758540967937 …

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      pete wolfendale @deontologistics
      Replying to @deontologistics @IntuitMachine and 4 others
      What an intrinsic theory of mathematical cognition/computation must do is to unify noesis and noema, which is to say the logic of computational structure (e.g., Curry-Howard correspondences), and the logic of knowledge representation (e.g., type theories, class hiearchies, etc.).
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    2. eripsa‏ @eripsa 13 Nov 2019
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      eripsa Retweeted eripsa

      Philosophers have been actively poisoning the well of this conversation.https://twitter.com/eripsa/status/1183737314943606784 …

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      eripsa @eripsa
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      My first clue that Floridi's work is not what it seems was his extremely bad article in Aeon in 2016, where he claims without argument that the Curry-Howard correspondence proves that machines will never be conscious. https://aeon.co/essays/true-ai-is-both-logically-possible-and-utterly-implausible … pic.twitter.com/s0qO0LZJPH
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    3. eripsa‏ @eripsa 13 Nov 2019
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      The chances of getting a Cartesian to care about HoTT are approximately zero.

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    4. ゼッグ‏ @euanthes 13 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @eripsa

      Almost everyone involved in the history of developing the Curry-Howard correspondence & its varieties have more nuanced opinions about mysterianism/Cartesianism than you. It's not that they aren't aware of a "math is ontology" platform. But exactly Zero of them think it's sober.

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    5. ゼッグ‏ @euanthes 13 Nov 2019
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      There are at least 20 working philosophers of mathematics who have contributed directly to computing and mathematics who are also formalists and also more on the mysterian/Cartesian side. Just because u don't understand Floridi's argument — "he dumb".

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    6. eripsa‏ @eripsa 13 Nov 2019
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      Can you link me to something developing a connection between Curry-Howard and Cartesianism? I'm extremely skeptical. The passage I quote from Floridi is a clear nonsequitur.

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    7. ゼッグ‏ @euanthes 13 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @eripsa

      Frankish probably won't take the time to read this, but he might benefit greatly too. (I doubt @keithfrankish read The Origins of Geometry (Husserl) I recc'd which isn't a contemporary short-cut pdf but actually delves into this issue far deeper.) http://tiny.cc/cnscnssTime 

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    8. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 13 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @euanthes @eripsa

      I might, you never know :) I have views, but I don't want to be dogmatic about them

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @keithfrankish @euanthes @eripsa

      I think that you may be a bit too pussyfooted when you make your points. While it is virtuous to avoid overstating one's position, you should also not understate the degree of your certainty. If an argument is more tenable than another, we owe it to present it as strong as it is.

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    10. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 14 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @euanthes @eripsa

      I can't win, can I? :)

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Nov 2019
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      Replying to @keithfrankish @euanthes @eripsa

      You cannot win while you are still worried to get rejected by people you know to be caught up in an illusion :)

      8:58 AM - 14 Nov 2019
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        2. Keith Frankish‏ @keithfrankish 14 Nov 2019
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          Replying to @Plinz @euanthes @eripsa

          I'm not worried about being rejected. I just know that I could be wrong and like to be charitable.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Nov 2019
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          Replying to @keithfrankish @euanthes @eripsa

          You mean you know you could potentially discover that you are conscious in actuality, functionalism is an untenable framework, and existence some kind of conspiracy? That’s a pretty heavy claim to make!

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