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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2019
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    Just heard two leading luminaries of studying consciousness casually revealing their respective convictions that bees are conscious, and that libraries are conscious, followed by a presentation about how we can reconcile our differences with more data. Data may not always help...

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      2. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 14 Oct 2019
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        I like Intregrated Information Theory. Some info in bees is integrated. Info in libraries is not very integrated. New data do not always help because they are dis-integrated. We may already have enough data to explain consciousness but no one researcher has integrated it all

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2019
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        I think we need better philosophy. Also, I think that consciousness has probably been satisfactorily explained many times in human history, and our present problems may result from the broken metaphysics of a culture that is still struggling to break free from its religious cults

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      2. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 14 Oct 2019
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        <libraries>????

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2019
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        Yes, but she tried to make a sweeping point on how we understand most things about consciousness and the mind, while the other tried to point that we know almost nothing. Neither seemed to think that it is important to aim for precision when doing philosophy.

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      2. Mark Cannon‏ @markcannon5 14 Oct 2019
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        Are we conscious? Seems like the only evidence we have for it are indescribable, irreducible sensations.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2019
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        It is probably placebo

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      2. Angus Burton‏ @angusnb 14 Oct 2019
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        panpsychists?

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2019
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        Only one of them, and the correct way to say it is currently "proposing a theory that is sharing many of the intuitions of panpsychism"

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      2. Hamstring 'you're part of it, now'‏ @bc_nbc 15 Oct 2019
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        Libraries are like fractal representations of the past; MARC files deconstruct the equations, allowing linkage among all possible variables. Anticipation, forecasting, imagining, are non-fractal, in that they cannot be represented by equation.

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      3. Eschersand  🔜 Underground Human Reservations  ⚖️‏ @Eschersand 19 Oct 2019
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        Brains and consciousness also in way "fractal representations" of past. The idea of viewing libraries as conscious in some ways harkens back to Carl Sagan representing them as the evolution of new higher level of brain where cognitive constructs dev. externally across generations

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