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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 Oct 2019
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      I did not learn math (beyond trivial school level) as a child, because I was not smart enough to figure out why it was supposed to be interesting (and not knowing anyone who was into more than pretend play about this). It seems the path to the core of the architecture of our mind

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    2.  🦋 Cornelia Oldekamp‏ @nr1woman 5 Oct 2019
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      It was the presentation that was the problem for me . I understood later that math is the language of probabilities. I also think my math teachers didn’t get that.

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    3. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 6 Oct 2019
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      Math, at it's core, is simply relationships. Proportions (including probabilities) is part of that, as is set theory (this is part of that), networks (these are connected to those), and just general patterns (A before B). This is totally not explained well in schools!

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    4.  🦋 Cornelia Oldekamp‏ @nr1woman 6 Oct 2019
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      So theory of mind is at its core a mathematical formula?

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    5. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 6 Oct 2019
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      Depends on what you mean by mathematical formula. Also, "theory of mind" is a specific term used to describe awareness of others' different goals than one's own. I think, though, you might be talking about a more general theory of how the brain works, right?

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    6.  🦋 Cornelia Oldekamp‏ @nr1woman 6 Oct 2019
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      Isn’t that what intelligence is about ? Pattern recognition? Isn’t intuition a recognition of patterns? Some people are savants when it comes to intuition. It’s the randomness of something not fitting in those patterns that puzzles me.

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    7. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 6 Oct 2019
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      I see that "intelligence" is most centrally describing objective, 3D, pattern recognition. This compares to 2D, emotional, patterns, as forms of connection or disconnection.

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    8. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 6 Oct 2019
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      Emotions are the official "theory of mind" concept, where we can be aware of how others' experiences are different from our own (and thus empathize, even when we're not experiencing what they are).

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    9.  🦋 Cornelia Oldekamp‏ @nr1woman 6 Oct 2019
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      I know this is the official term but I disagree that emotions are separated from intellect, bc it still involves connecting the dots.

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    10. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 6 Oct 2019
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      Intellect is emotions + physical + the larger group/environment. This is why it's 3D. All three dimensions of first person, second person, and third person are needed to effectively model/solve complex problems.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 6 Oct 2019
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      I am not unsympathetic but I think you are trumping much further out than the scaffolding of your models can carry you. Do you sometimes backtrack and retreat to safe ground, or have you resigned yourself to building your intellectual house out of colorful metaphors?

      11:25 AM - 6 Oct 2019
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          Two steps forward and one step back. Every day. Recalibration is my norm. My larger models so far have been the one thing that has given me courage to keep going, though, beyond anything else the universe has had to offer.

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        1. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 6 Oct 2019
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          But as far as the definitions of the different levels of brain function, those are just generalizations gleaned from mainstream language. They are not terribly important to me. Words are poor representations of reality, in my view, far less useful than geometry/patterns.

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