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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 12 Aug 2019
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      Not at all. A highly conscious person can easily pretend to be less conscious, or just catatonic. What else is there? Qualia. Feelings, sights, sounds, flavors, thoughts, personhood, etc. There are no 'models' outside of consciousness.

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    3. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 12 Aug 2019
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      Qualia (like pain and blue) cannot be deconstructed. I think that the universe is one single eternal sense experience, and that sense palletes like ours are partitions within that.

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    5. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 12 Aug 2019
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      These are what are known as 'just stories'. Reverse engineered, retrospective fallacies that reflect cognitive bias, not physics.

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    7. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 12 Aug 2019
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      That's like saying that we can prove that thunder is caused by Thor because we when we strike the ground with a heavy hammer it sounds like thunder.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Aug 2019
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      This is not what I meant. See continuation of my other reply.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Aug 2019
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      Ugh, no! Survival orientation is obviously neither necessary nor sufficient for consciousness.

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        2. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 13 Aug 2019
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          I'm not a collection of cells. My body was a cell that divides billions of times. I am a single experience. I am a lifetime within the totality of experiences. Bodies, cells, objects are appearances within the sense of tangibility, which separates this experience from all others.

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        2. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 15 Aug 2019
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          Consciousness is simply the activation of these models to further model and find relevant self survival/thriving connections. Remember, the goal is integrity, not conformity. So how about an answer?

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        3. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 15 Aug 2019
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          I don't think that 'models' can exist outside of consciousness.

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        2. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 14 Aug 2019
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          More specifically, what is the difference between computation in a computer and computations in a human mind as attention is building models and finding relevant connections between models for....? What?

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        3. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 14 Aug 2019
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          I think it's important to be *absolutely literal* when it comes to these issues. A machine is a collection of objects that we use to automate some physical task. Computations do not exist in those machines as the tasks occur without any need for interpretation as math.

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        2. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 14 Aug 2019
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          So what would you say is the difference between a living organism, a machine, and non-living things?

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          I think that a non-living object can be mechanized to grow, move and reproduce itself without being a living organism. The non-life/life distinction is an artifact of our limited perception of natural properties, however, a machine has no natural properties. There's no 'it' there

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        1. Clarity‏ @SurviveThrive2 15 Aug 2019
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          Why the bad reaction to self survival functioning? Your own theory suggests evolutionary tuned behavior motivators generate self survival actions. The models of the world are formed as these self survival/thriving desires are satisfied.

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