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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Abel.TM‏ @Abel_TorresM 11 Aug 2019
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      We say intelligence is the capacity to solve problems in many environments. Phrased as the mechanisms of computing system’s equilibrium implies e.g. that it isn't an optimization task (as in DL today). Which equilibrium? How? Are the current tasks in this theory of intelligence

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    2. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 12 Aug 2019
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      I would go further and say that even the capacity to qualify an event as a 'problem' and to be able to attempt to cause events that are qualified as 'solving' it requires intelligence.

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    3. Abel.TM‏ @Abel_TorresM 12 Aug 2019
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      Right. Just that animals are capable of solving problems without conceptualizing them; so the abstraction required for reasoning is not dependent on symbolic language even when benefits a lot from it

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Aug 2019
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      Not sure about that. Planning requires discretization of sequences of events, objects and scenes in ways that are essentially conceptual (just not linguistic).

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    5. Abel.TM‏ @Abel_TorresM 12 Aug 2019
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      Correct. I abused 'conceptualization' as abstractions we can describe with words. Animals can manipulate abstract representations to solve problems. Moreover, our linguistic constructs are ultimately converted into those to acquire meaning (the reason pure NLP is empty)

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    6. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 12 Aug 2019
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      What I'm looking at I think is even more primitive than abstraction. Prior to representation, there must be a presentation of perceptual content such that direct intervention is experienced as possible and desirable. Intelligence as a refinement of will.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 12 Aug 2019
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      No, there is no "presentation". Before representation, there are only patterns. Representation creates the structure, as a way to explain the patterns.

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      I think that the explanation of affect as configuration of a cognitive system, and of emotion as directed affect is adequate. For experience, see this presentation, for instance:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3K5UxWRRuY …

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Aug 2019
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      I don't think it is expressed well in the book or the theory (and Dörner himself seems to think that the hard problem is the easy problem). In the talk, I try to point out that the solution is that we don't live in the physical universe to begin with, and never gain access to it.

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Aug 2019
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          We find ourselves in a dream, and a dream character can dream that it is conscious. The dream is generated by a physical system, which is itself not dreaming, but modeling. We are inside of the model.

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        3. 3ॐc³‏ @S33light 13 Aug 2019
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          How do you know that the dream isn't just nested within another dream, which it approximates as a physical system? (or as I think, a dream nested within a dream>dream>dream>dream>dream that it approximates as zoo>bio>organo>chemo>physical systems)

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