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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jul 2019
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      Presumably, a Shintoist knows a property that distinguishes living animals from dead animals, so not all things will be alive in that sense. The Shintoists may be referring to a different property if it is shared by all things in their ontology, for example state evolution.

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    2. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 1 Jul 2019
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      You must be correct because as I understand it, rocks, trees, & mountains are "alive". That the universe is made of ontologically foundational "stuff" that is alive and potentially conscious. Shinto ground is thus* *conscious* & *reality is it's " product".

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jul 2019
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      Again, if the Shintoists are able to distinguish between an unconscious human and an unconscious one, then either the word "conscious" means something different in this context, or the word "ground". Ground might not mean substrate but mind, and reality is a model in the mind?

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    4. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 1 Jul 2019
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      Wittgenstein again. 🎉🥳 In Zen (for example) there is conventially 2 minds. Neurobio ( Small) mind and Big Mind. The reality of small mind has no necessary relationship to the reality of Big Mind. The instance of cncns. in human brain creates Human Reality.

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    5. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 1 Jul 2019
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      So yes, if I understand you correctly and we are speaking as second or third persons ( the default scientific stance currently). First person leads in another direction.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jul 2019
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      The first person is a fiction, like all the other persons too. We perceive that we are that fiction, as long as our mind tells us that we are if we ask it.

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    7. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 1 Jul 2019
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      Agree that it is fiction from neurobiological point of view ( 3rd person). Not so much from first person pov as far as I can tell. This qualia of "existing" precedes the self and doesn't rely on it.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jul 2019
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      I perceive my self as what's on the other side of attention. If I relax my attention on that relationship, then there is only the attended. If it is no longer attended, there is still attention. If attention itself ceases, there is nothing.

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    9. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 1 Jul 2019
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      Way cool. Wittgenstein might say that you are using the correct technical computational terminology (attention) where lay people might use the word consciousness. Maybe I'm all wet but it seems to me that this might help understand and talk about both.

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    10. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 1 Jul 2019
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      What is the least complex system that you would say has a capacity for *attention*?

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      Our kind of attention needs a unified, fully general dynamic world model (perception), and a 'conductor' that can control working memory changes and improve the perceptual model via evaluating a protocol of changes to past working memory states (protocol memory).

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        1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2019
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          There is another kind of attention that relates to tracking identities during task execution, for instance in the transformer architecture in AI/ML: https://towardsdatascience.com/transformers-141e32e69591 … It may not scale towards consciousness, because it is not reflexive, and representations are not unified.

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        1. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 2 Jul 2019
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          Wait. Are you saying human attention requires ( or presupposes) memory? My guess is not - except for selected attention.

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        1. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 2 Jul 2019
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          Looks cool however I'm not a computationalist or much of a neural net guy ( beyond general principles). Where in the computational sequence would you put "attention" or it's equivalent? Would you say "attention" is the sum of a series of steps? Other?

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