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    1. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan 30 Jun 2019
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      There's some kind of awful toxoplasmosis life cycle thing going on with trauma and ideology. Trauma begets ideologies to make sense of it, and those ideologies form communities in which everyone is actually actively reinforcing each other's trauma, I think in several ways. Oof.

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    2. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 30 Jun 2019
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      IFS talks about polarized parts; extreme parts pushing in opposite directions because each part correctly believes that if it's not extreme then the other part's extremeness will lead the person to ruin. (e.g. extreme workaholist vs. extreme slacker parts)

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    3. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 30 Jun 2019
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      It explicitly notes that this generalizes to the interpersonal and intergroup level; a person may develop an extreme part polarized against another's extreme part. In effect two individuals are polarized against each other. Go up a level, and you get polarized groups.

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    4. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 30 Jun 2019
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      On the individual level, polarization is solved by a mutually trusted Self acting to mediate between the polarized parts and providing leadership. On the interpersonal level, a mutually trusted person can likewise mediate.

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    5. Kaj Sotala‏ @xuenay 30 Jun 2019
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      But this requires the existence of mediators which are trusted by both sides. For many conflicts, there are very few if any of those people.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Jun 2019
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      What happens is the opposite. The trauma core is used by activists as beacon, energy source and kamikaze squad to radicalize their movements.

      10:45 AM - 30 Jun 2019
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        1. QC‏ @QiaochuYuan 30 Jun 2019
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          Yes! Lots of stuff to get into about how the trauma and ideology enable manipulation, especially by shady actors. Relevant: @Meaningness's "Geeks, MOPs, and sociopaths":https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths …

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        1. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 1 Jul 2019
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          This is why you actually have to *do* something, active, to help people meet the very bottom levels of Maslow's deficiency needs (physical inputs and freedom (safety) to express their physical outputs), before you can ever expect them to start thinking pro-socially.

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