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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jun 2019
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      Joscha Bach Retweeted NowThis

      There is a surprisingly wide band of cognitive ability where you understand that a person you interact with is not as smart as yourself, but you are still unable to understand the implications and accommodate that. (Instead, you just feel superior and are upset about the other.)https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1133818541650538496 …

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      ‘You have a dangerous object in your hand’ … ’I’m picking up trash’ — This officer pulled his gun on a student who was cleaning up trash outside his dorm pic.twitter.com/i8nCqOmUqv
      7 replies 8 retweets 31 likes
    2. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 1 Jun 2019
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      I hope I'm misunderstanding you, but this is not reducible to cognitive limitations, just like the character of an individual isn't. This level of failure to meet the key conditions under which authority is given is failing the society it is for. The officers are in the wrong.

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    3. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 1 Jun 2019
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      The cognitive limitation I believe Joscha is talking about is the supposedly intelligent young man being threatened by the cops. It's not logical to try to rationally interact with the cop, since the cop is not rational. So, in a sense the rational guy is acting irrationally.

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    4. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 1 Jun 2019
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      Are you saying the full responsibility is on the innocent young man - who cooperated with all that the officer had right to demand - to know the cop cannot be reasoned with, and figure out how to not compromise on his constitutional rights, and prevent being threatened by a gun?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jun 2019
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      Replying to @marcolin91 @thewiseturtle

      Since neither of them is fully aware what they are doing in the eyes of the other, the may responsibility rest with those that failed in their education, and with those that failed to set up the incentives for their educators, etc., until the first design of the social contract.

      4:38 PM - 1 Jun 2019 from Palo Alto, CA
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        2. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 1 Jun 2019
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          Replying to @Plinz @marcolin91

          Each of us is able to respond to every situation we're in only as well as the nature and nurture we've been given allows us to. (Even if there is a "higher power" beyond our biology, that's still *some* form or nature or nurture, essentially.)

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        3. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 1 Jun 2019
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          Yeah that higher power beyond biology is called culture and nurture. If I would have a daughter that throws a brick on my head I'm going to be the higher power that says that that's bad, and she has a responsibility not to randomly throw bricks on people's heads.

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        2. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 1 Jun 2019
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          Just because there's *a* causal chain that can be drawn for the processes of learning that preceded, doesn't mean that the relative causal contributions with respect to the knowledge in question, is homogenous over that chain, or can be mapped in similarly simple manner.

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        3. Marco lin‏ @marcolin91 1 Jun 2019
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          Because there's a generality to their education (common knowledge on cooperating with authorities, consequences of not doing so, how difficult cops's jobs are, etc. -&- the rights, rules, and conditions by which one has legal authority) responsibility is primarily individual here

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