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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Boghossian suggests that, in a Great Realignment, the major axis of politics may be shifting to rational vs anti-rational, systematic vs anti-systematic, collapsing the old left/right distinction. I suggested something similar in 2016: https://meaningness.com/metablog/communal-vs-systematic-politics …pic.twitter.com/MKoetzBkAI

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      He points also to developing alliances between groups that ignore their left/right differences to join in anti-rational causes. He cites a divisive "wokeness" movement within fundamentalism (first I've heard of this). Feminist-Islamist alliances might be another example?

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Boghossian says he thinks the anti-rational insurgency will necessarily collapse because it has no structure of justification. I am less optimistic: Removing any feeling of need for justification is exactly why it is powerful and attractive! https://meaningness.com/metablog/communal-vs-systematic-politics …pic.twitter.com/rhFxvWSRlL

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      The fact is, most people don't care about rational justifications. Those were always an elite affectation. Elites conspired to keep political discourse within systematic rules, but twitter ended that. Boghossian wrings his hands over this loss; I imagine 4chan & SJWs laughing.pic.twitter.com/gIMuv4Ql5X

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Given a choice between rationalism & anti-rationalism, I will unhesitatingly choose the first. Until we create something better—which I hope we will—rationalist institutions are absolutely necessary to our survival. But the age of rationalism has passed.https://meaningness.com/metablog/rationalism-critiques …

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Interviewing @peterboghossian, I would have been less polite than @peternlimberg, and pressed him with "yes, and"s. Standpoint epistemology is not entirely wrong; we do all have limited knowledge and understanding, which is partly a matter of social position; this does matter.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      (I should say that it's a GREAT interview and I recommend listening! Both participants were really sharp and interesting.)https://anchor.fm/intellectualexplorersclub/episodes/Peter-Boghoassian---The-Great-Realignment-e3vobd …

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Intersectionality can be misused as an inverted standard of value, but it's a real thing. My black female immigrant lover got specific types of flak that people in any two of those three categories would not have faced.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Postmodernism is invoked as all-purpose backing for "you have to do whatever I want you to, because my feelings, facts be damned"; but the overall postmodern critique of rationalism is actually correct. There are no ultimate foundations anywhere.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 May 2019
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      Can we oppose anti-rationalist political movements effectively while acknowledging that their grievances and their critiques of rationalist institutions and their esoteric epistemologies are partly justified? Wouldn't that be MORE effective?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 May 2019
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      Simply put, rationalism is attractive because it wants to be true, anti-rationalism because it wants to be right. Meta rationalism is subtle, but neither intellectually nor morally compelling. To make it spiritually attractive, you would have to go down the charismatic route

      11:27 AM - 11 May 2019 from Menlo Park, CA
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        2. Kevin D. Keck‏ @kdkeck 13 May 2019
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          Disagree, I would say metarationalism is constructive, inventive, progressive in classical sense, thus for lack of a better word "magical" in a non-mystical way. Because it's about becoming instead of being.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 May 2019
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          Yes, that is what I meant by charismatic. It feels good, right and true to you, doesn't it?

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