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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 10 May 2019
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      Lulie Retweeted Ben Hoffman

      Speculation: The idea of 'goals' was created as a mechanism of coercive control. 🗿 Static memes need(/are) mechanisms to disable rationality; 'goals' is one of those. Ben's example gives credence to this. Sticky:https://twitter.com/ben_r_hoffman/status/1126888811768709121 …

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      Ben Hoffman @ben_r_hoffman
      If I tell people I'm *considering* doing X and talk about my reasons and potential plans clearly, they decide that I'm now Excited About it and it's my Thing and even start criticizing me under the assumption that I'm saying that everyone should do it. https://twitter.com/reasonisfun/status/1126882675833356288 …
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    2. Vita‏ @vitabenes 10 May 2019
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      Vita Retweeted Vita

      What's significant & symbolic for one person is arbitrary and coercive for another.https://twitter.com/vitabenes/status/1087325824469090304 …

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      Vita @vitabenes
      Call something arbitrary, you subtract meaning. Call it symbolic, you add meaning. This can be used everyday to slalom through reality. Rules may be arbitrary. Goals may be symbolic. And vice versa and ad infinitum. What might be arbitrary to others, may be symbolic to you.
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    3. Vita‏ @vitabenes 10 May 2019
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      More to your point, pinning down someone else with goals is probably a mental shortcut. It's comforting to 'figure out' what a person wants. It resolves ambiguity. When you suddenly introduce a different goal of yours, it creates more dissonance and ambiguity.

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    4. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 10 May 2019
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      Ah, good point. This makes me wonder how coercion can work at all, given most people most of the time are (it turns out, contrary to intellectuals' conventional wisdom) benevolent and rational.

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    5. l̴o̴o̴p̴u̴l̴e̴a̴s̴a̴‏ @loopuleasa 10 May 2019
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      Replying to @reasonisfun @vitabenes

      people aren't rational

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 10 May 2019
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      Replying to @loopuleasa @reasonisfun @vitabenes

      if it would not make me appear conventional by reflexively assuming nonbenevolence i would be tempted to say you are making her point

      2:03 PM - 10 May 2019 from Palo Alto, CA
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        1. l̴o̴o̴p̴u̴l̴e̴a̴s̴a̴‏ @loopuleasa 10 May 2019
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          Replying to @Plinz @reasonisfun @vitabenes

          What's with that phrasing? why not speak in simple terms?

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