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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 6 May 2019
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    I found that people citing Gödel almost invariably think that he has proven the epistemological impotence of mathematics, in their hearts even freeing them from the stifling dictates of logic and probability. (Instead, Gödel has disproven one of the ways of defining truth.)

    6:41 PM - 6 May 2019 from Menlo Park, CA
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      2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 7 May 2019
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        No, should I? I would be surprised if my insights are new

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      2. яша г‏ @trogggg 7 May 2019
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        lol wouldn’t such a proof, done using math, be inconsistent with the validity of itself as a trustworthy proof? like what would a ‘proof’ even mean if it proves that you cant trust proof

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 7 May 2019
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        For most people Gödel's Undecidability Theorem means: if some genius mathematicians has proven in ways that mere mortals cannot fully comprehend that mathematics cannot grasp the world as well as my intuition, then that's good enough for me.

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      2. God's Favorite Idiot‏ @eschudy 7 May 2019
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        But Gödel does put limits on mathematically based epistemological systems. Math is a tool, and physics is a model, but neither is a complete reality.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 7 May 2019
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        Are you sure that you fully understand the implications of Gödel’s and Turing’s proof in the contrxt of Hilbert and constructivist math? —Mathematics is simply the domain of all languages. There is nothing perceivable, thinkable or provable outside of it.

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      1. Weston Beecroft‏ @Westoncb 6 May 2019
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        The other Gödel and the other Einstein. (Reminds me of Thomas Kuhn's quip "I've often said I'm much fonder of my critics than my fans.") Analyzing limitations or imperfections of one's own group always runs the risk of being construed as fundamentally antagonistic to the group

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      2.  👁‍🗨 πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ‏ @pschwede 8 May 2019
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        Didn't Gödel proof a large set of models (if not all) to be impossibly, perfectly verifable?

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      3.  👁‍🗨 πㄕㄨㆤㄉㄜ‏ @pschwede 8 May 2019
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        I think his proof was restricted to finite models. But I'm unaware of any infinite model.

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