Can value exist independently of minds? @Plinzhttps://tmblr.co/ZdBr1y2hpsc_e
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Replying to @S33light
I would suggest narrowing your definitions of 'value' and 'mind' until they clearly mean something, or discard them and use different terms?
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Replying to @Plinz
Yes, I wouldn't use those terms, but that was the way that the question was posed.
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Replying to @Plinz
How do we know whether something is a mind? Where does a mind end and a person or value begin?
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Replying to @S33light
Seriously, all of these terms have meanings. I can give you mine, but I am quirky, and it may make sense if you just consult an encyclopedia, like SEP
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Replying to @Plinz
That's why I say that these terms aren't precise enough. We need terms that don't lend themselves to quirky, personalized meanings. SEP doesn't even have entries that define mind or value as there are many philosophies and theories which define them in completely different ways.
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Replying to @S33light
I don't understand your motivation. I try to deal with a space of phenomena that I organize with a specific functional partitioning. If you have a better partitioning, go ahead and use it, but the heterogeneity of existing models does not mean that the terms have no referents.
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I understand the mind as a set of functional mechanisms that produce a simulated universe to explain and predict sensory data and data within itself. It consists of perception, attention, memory, reasoning, and it can generate a self as part of the universe.
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Without a function that determines relevance, the functions that the mind generates will appear as meaningless patterns (even if they are highly structured). Even if you define motivation as outside of the mind (limbic vs cerebral) reward signals will only become values within it
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If you think that because you experience motivation as upstream from your mind, values must be part of its physical or otherwise functional substrate, you are probably confused about the nature of functional substrates, and check how you constructed that model.
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Replying to @Plinz
I think that the functional substrate evolves as a response to the separation of the aesthetic substrate into many different modes, scales, and levels. Functionally we are no different than worms.
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