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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. François-René Rideau‏ @fare 26 Apr 2019
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      To determine which side is firmly in power, see which side's positions are better understood by the other side.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Apr 2019
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      That is mostly true if the main criterion for joining the side in power is to understand what they are doing.

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    3. François-René Rideau‏ @fare 26 Apr 2019
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      More like, the side in power controls the narrative via schools and mass-media, so of course everyone knows and understands their propaganda. Whereas they often have little understanding about the ideas of the minorities.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Apr 2019
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      Schools and mass media don't teach the subdued people the positions of the people in power, but their own positions. Conversely, people who are able to gain and maintain actual power tend to take great care to understand the ideas of their opposition.

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    5. François-René Rideau‏ @fare 26 Apr 2019
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      Schools and mass media teach subdued people the ideology of people in power. E.g. in France, a few centuries ago, Catholicism, today, Socialism. People who seek and obtain power don't care a whit about the ideas of their opponents, only about ensuring their continued domination.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Apr 2019
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      I don't really see the point in trying to convince you, but if a farmer had to control their cows not via fences but via ideas, the farmer would be very interested in what the cows believe, and he would certainly not install his own beliefs. Popes are not supposed to be Catholic.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Apr 2019
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      Btw, you sound as if you are convinced that power is intrinsically bad. That may be part of conditioned propaganda. If you think that power is bad and you want to be a good person, you'll stay away from those pesky buttons.

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    8. François-René Rideau‏ @fare 26 Apr 2019
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      Power is good or bad... depends to whom. Do you identify with the mind-manipulating sociopathic rulers, or with humans? By discussing with me on twitter, you reveal yourself as human, so identification with the rulers would be a mistake, and power is bad.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Apr 2019
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      I don't think that identification can be part of genuine understanding. I also don't see how we can deduce that it is more human to be to tweet than to govern, both are human activities. Societies without governance don't scale, as you can derive from game theoretic models.

      10:24 PM - 26 Apr 2019
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        1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Apr 2019
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          Btw, I don't think of power as good or bad. Power is not moral, but freedom to do what you want, and is given by circumstances, knowledge, skills and the ability to buffer consequences if you don't want what's offered. The use of power may have good or bad consequences, of course

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