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    1. David L Barack‏ @DLBarack 8 Apr 2019
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      Hi Philosophy-Neuroscience twitter! Seems like some neuro folks want to know what the hell Philosophers of Mind (TM) do. I recommend reading these seven papers to start: Frege 1892; Putnam 1975 (and/or Burge 1979); Loar 1987; Kripke 1979; Kaplan 1977; Russell 1905; Perry 1979

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    2. Dr. Leigh M. Johnson‏ @DrLeighMJohnson 8 Apr 2019
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      Serious question: how do philosophers expect anyone working in emergent tech to take pre-1980 philosophical accounts of "mind" seriously? Yes, some were ahead of their time, but we've got #NeuralNetwok ML/AI now. So...?

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    3. Dr. Leigh M. Johnson‏ @DrLeighMJohnson 8 Apr 2019
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      I'd really love to hear more philosophers of mind reference Bostrom, Kaku, (Michael) Nielsen, even Kurzweil(!) before trotting out the tired old mid-20th C philosophers. Le sigh.

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    4. Dr. Johnathan Flowers - Dark Zone Philosopher‏ @shengokai 8 Apr 2019
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      I would say that the post-1980 accounts of mind are good for physicalist/functionalist accounts, or accounts that reinforce what the neuro/cog-sci folks are already up to; not so good if you want to put those minds in social/cultural settings and have them learn something.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Apr 2019
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      What are good social/cultural accounts of philosophy of mind? Most of the contemporary stuff I am aware of is very shallow/fashionable/ideology driven? I’m fond of Castelfranchi and Sloman but neither got very far imho

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    6. Dr. Johnathan Flowers - Dark Zone Philosopher‏ @shengokai 9 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz @DrLeighMJohnson @DLBarack

      I tend to rely on John Dewey's account in Experience and Nature, or Merleau-Ponty's account in Phenomenology of Perception. MP's account has been expanded by several recent thinkers.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Apr 2019
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      There has been an influence of MP on cogsci via enactivism, but that paradigm has failed. MP continues to inspire despite his fuzzy epistemology, but I have mostly seen "creative writing", not tangible models come out of this. Can you recommend any material that is not "soft"?

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Apr 2019
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          (I think Dewey is already well integrated and recognized via the traditions of functional psychology, and I am not sure what else we can learn by going back to him. Phenomenology seems more promising to me as a source for undervalued perspectives.)

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        3. Dr. Johnathan Flowers - Dark Zone Philosopher‏ @shengokai 9 Apr 2019
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          That's a tricky question, re: "soft" material, specifically where things similar to Dewey and MP are concerned. I'm not sure you can get a "hard" account of mind that involves the social that doesn't fray at the edges, but it's worth looking into.

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