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    1. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 1 Dec 2018
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      Fallibilism is fallible. It doesn’t rule out foundationalism (the concern for “axioms” you’re expressing) but, FWIW, many of us are also anti-foundationalist. Again, this is subtle, but many of us are interested in *fundamental* theories yet we reject foundationalism.

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    2. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 1 Dec 2018
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      (The difference is: focus on problems & solutions or a focus on starting points (axioms, etc). Fallibilism isn’t a foundation. It’s a critique of infallibilism/dogmatism/authoritarianism/etc. A 3rd plank in this is rejecting justificationism; also a consequence of Fallibilism).

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ToKTeacher @EvanOLeary and

      Is the mixing of normative (eg anti authoritarian) and epistemological claims part of your philosophy or just part of a social club you have built around a shared interest in critical inquiry?

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    4. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 1 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @EvanOLeary and

      Not sure I understand. But the assumption epistemological categories aren’t normative isn’t right. We should reject authority, but that’s because of rules in actual epistemology. Namely: there are no authorities in the quest for knowledge so reject claims made on that basis.

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    5. Phil Mathies‏ @pmathies 1 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @ToKTeacher @Plinz and

      An important part of this is conjecture about the mechanism of progress. Namely, when progress is/was made, it had nothing to do with the existence of falliblists. It is/was always due to an approach that searches for errors and tries to correct them regardless what ppl believed.

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    6. Phil Mathies‏ @pmathies 1 Dec 2018
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      Replying to @pmathies @ToKTeacher and

      So it doesn’t matter what this “community” of “critical rationalists” believe necessarily. I have an interest (that I believe many here share) in describing the phenomenon of epistemological (also moral) progress and “critical rationalism” figures in the best explanation of that.

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    7. Scott Hamilton‏ @DoqxaScott 7 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @pmathies @ToKTeacher and

      In other words, critical rationalism is a universal theory of knowledge. It describes the evolution of explanatory knowledge by humankind, regardless of awareness of the theory, and it describes the evolution of non-explanatory knowledge such as that encoded in genes.

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    8. Brett Hall‏ @ToKTeacher 7 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @DoqxaScott @pmathies and

      Brett Hall Retweeted Hermes of Reason

      I also assume none of us actually *believe* critical rationalism, either. See eg:https://twitter.com/hermesofreason/status/1114654012307955712?s=21 …

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      Hermes of Reason @HermesofReason
      Belief vs. Persuasion — as different ways of going about philosophical progress. #philosophy #reason #belief #persuasion #epistemology #progress #criticalrationalism 🐁 #thebeginningofinfinity https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv7Of7qB7Of/ 
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    9. Phil Mathies‏ @pmathies 7 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @ToKTeacher @DoqxaScott and

      A belief is something like a presumption of truth. Hard to reconcile that with falliblism. And yet I struggle to not use the word “belief” in conversations.

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    10. Scott Hamilton‏ @DoqxaScott 7 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @pmathies @ToKTeacher and

      Belief/believe differs in meaning in small buy important ways, and it isn't always clear what someone means when they use it. I agree though, it is very difficult to do away with it all together. It can mean: I guess, I have good reasons for knowing, I have faith, they claim, ...

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 7 Apr 2019
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      Replying to @DoqxaScott @pmathies and

      Perhaps we can use “faith” to describe a statement with a truth value that is decided upstream of your self, ie that is firewalled against your own critical reasoning. In practice, a Faith may even be a foreign agent running on your brain, with write access on your mental reality

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        2. Scott Hamilton‏ @DoqxaScott 7 Apr 2019
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          "Firewalled from critical reasoning," I like that. I think in practice the firewall is always self-imposed. E.g. I don't want to think too critically about this belief because I am so invested in it, and can't imagine what my life would be like if I discover I'm wrong.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 7 Apr 2019
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          I think it is imposed on the self, sometimes by the self, but usually it happens before the self is able to understand what is being imposed by others.

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