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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Mar 2019
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      I am not sure what it means to experience unconsciously. Is it sufficient that a part of your nervous system registered the stimulus and passed it on, even if it was dismissed or not integrated somewhere higher up?

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    2. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 29 Mar 2019
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      Yes. The former at the least.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Mar 2019
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      In that case, I would not say that "I" have experienced that. For that, it seems to be necessary that "I" have a chance remembering it later on.

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    4. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 29 Mar 2019
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      Yeah The illusory ( albiet useful "I" ) has next to nothing to do with any of this. Not necessary for consciousness ( as you know).

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Mar 2019
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      I think that only the I is conscious. (You can strip out the I content of course, but it's still a dream character that experiences a dream.)

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    6. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 29 Mar 2019
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      But if I dream of myself dreaming and waking from a dream all while asleep what word will we use for THAT 'I' or *me*?

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Mar 2019
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      The experience of waking up from one dream into another one is itself part of the dream.

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    8. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 29 Mar 2019
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      A dream.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 29 Mar 2019
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      The dream of the I. As in "I dreamt that I was flying in the clouds and then I woke up and was in my bed and worried about my parents and the state of the economy".

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    10. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 30 Mar 2019
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      You've omitted a level. Waking from a dream into another dream ( while sleeping all the while) and THEN waking up and worrying about the state of the ecomony.https://twitter.com/davidarredondo/status/1111775702427160576?s=19 …

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      But if I dream of myself dreaming and waking from a dream all while asleep what word will we use for THAT 'I' or *me*?
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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Mar 2019
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      Every state in which you find yourself immersed into a reality is a dream state

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        2. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 30 Mar 2019
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          Agreed. Are you also saying that an " I" dreams it? (We're probably too deep in for Twitter at this point but thought I would ask).

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 30 Mar 2019
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          We typically reserve that for states where the I later reconstructs that it was immersed in a representation (ie dreams during sleep). But the dreaming is done to the I by the mind, the I does not create the dream.

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