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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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      Subtly wrong ideas are much more dangerous to progress in science than plainly wrong ideas. Some subtly wrong ideas seem to include mirror neurons, integrated information theory, the gut brain, the extended mind and autopoiesis.

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    2. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 26 Mar 2019
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      Mirror neurons I get, say more about the 1. *gut brain* and 2. extended mind ( what do those mean and why are they problems )?

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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      The gut brain is a cluster of ideas around the intuition that the intestinal neurons that line the gut [possibly in democratic cooperation with the microbiome] to form a secondary brain that shapes cns cognition in significant ways.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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      The extended mind suggests that the mind does not end at the boundary of our nervous system, but extends into the environment. In the stronger sense, enactivism suggests that the mind does not emerge over neural activity, but over the interaction between body and environment.

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    5. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 26 Mar 2019
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      Would you say that the contents of mind end at the *boundry of the nervous system* ( Eg. Thoughts &concepts) ?

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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      No, I think that this is a category error. My mind does not exist in the same frame of reference as my nervous system. But as far as we can tell, it is mostly emergent over the activity of specific parts of my CNS.

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    7. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 26 Mar 2019
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      So I think I know what you mean by CNS ( I don't know anyone who think that extends into the environment). What do you mean by the term mind? Does it include the content?

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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      The original champion of the extended mind was Andy Clark. Alva Noe used to be invested in it for a while. Brooks, Bongard and Pfeiffer popularized enactivism in AI. A radical version of enactism in philosophy of mind is for instance given by Ezequiel DiPaolo.

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    9. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 26 Mar 2019
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      Thanks for the warning.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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      I am not sure about the other question though. Much of the mind is invariant to its contents, but it is nor clear to me if I should see it as fully separate, even though I would, in a first approximation.

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        1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Mar 2019
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          The mind seems to be able to turn some of its own regulation into its object and deconstruct itself.

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        2. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 26 Mar 2019
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          How best to conceptualize depends on goals, aims, objectives- in the laymans sense of those terms. Humans have be working on it for 3-4 millennia that we know of. The computational approach is the new one. Agree about Tonnoni btw. That is a dead end.

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        3. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 27 Mar 2019
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          Is there nothing interesting to you two in Tonnoni's ideas?

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        1. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 26 Mar 2019
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          And manipulate it's perception of *it*self.

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