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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Feb 2019
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      The question of why there is something rather than nothing has always been the ultimate embarrassment to me. In the last few years, I have come around to Max @tegmark's position: existence is quite possibly the default. Everything that is implementable is implemented.

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    2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 18 Feb 2019
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      An embarrassment in what sense? To ask the question at all? Or in how far we seem to be from being able to address it?

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Feb 2019
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      In the sense that it is intellectually disturbing

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    4. mattgiammarino‏ @mattgiammarino 18 Feb 2019
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      Why?

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Feb 2019
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      If you ask yourself why something exists at all, does that not totally blow your mind? It is a much more miraculous riddle than consciousness.

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    6. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 18 Feb 2019
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      I consider them almost the same question from our current vantage.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Feb 2019
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      No, consciousness is just the self report of a model of the contents of the attentional system. Once you see how that particular dream is being generated it is no longer mysterious.

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    8. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 18 Feb 2019
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      Your sensation of seeing red is itself an illusion, and you don’t really have that experience of redness?

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Feb 2019
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      Consciousness is real to the self, but the self is not real.

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    10. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 18 Feb 2019
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      That’s not really an answer. Do you have experiences or not? Chalmers and Descartes are right. I can doubt any account of what my experiences indicate, but not that I’m having them. I’ll watch your lecture though.🤗

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Feb 2019
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      The problem is not with the experience, but with "you". What you experience is not yourself in a physical world. It's a simulated self in a simulated world (tuned to predict sensory patterns), and the simulated self models what it would be like to experience.

      6:16 PM - 18 Feb 2019 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Weston Beecroft‏ @Westoncb 18 Feb 2019
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          Makes me wonder the nature of the substrate that manifests the simulated self as qualia. Why are the relations of perception/cognition instantiated in _some_ particular, arbitrary way, when the generic relations are all that matter for function.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 18 Feb 2019
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          There are not that many degrees of freedom in how the relations between features can be modeled, if you want to map all (perceived) physical things into regions within the same 3space, all somatic sensations to the same self, and you want metaphysics to be consistent.

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        2. Matt Guttman‏ @RealtimeAI 18 Feb 2019
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          Yes I think this is what @DavidDeutschOxf means when he says when he says that epistemology is substrate independent. Your experience is explained by that construct. But knowing the correlation doesn’t tell you why redness (or anything) is what that construct feels like.

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        3. Robert Janda‏ @RJsnda 18 Feb 2019
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          @DavidDeutschOxf‘ substrate independent information is transmitted because of “allowed “interactions “. You can see only things which are allowed by the laws of physics. “No feelings exist.” Just reality in the stone as well as in our brain.

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