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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2019
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      It is a deep and harmful misunderstanding that learning should be fun. It rarely is. Learning should be meaningful.

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    2. 𝒶𝓁𝓌𝒶𝓎𝓈 🄵🅁🄴🅂🄷‏ @rhyolight 11 Jan 2019
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      Learning is much more successful when it is fun.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2019
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      If you learn to learn based on fun most of your actual learning will be less successful.

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    4. 𝒶𝓁𝓌𝒶𝓎𝓈 🄵🅁🄴🅂🄷‏ @rhyolight 11 Jan 2019
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      If you spend your whole life actively exploring and learning about the things that truly interest you, learning will be fun and successful. I find learning to be inherently pleasant. I see your point only if when you are required to learn uninteresting things.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2019
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      Most relevant things that we have to learn in real life, like how to do taxes, brush shoes, write a glossary to a PhD thesis, clean a clogged pipe, deploy a Python app on MacOS, change diapers, solve integrals, review bad conference papers are neither fun nor interesting.

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    6. Chris Dancy‏ @ProfDancy 11 Jan 2019
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      All of those things can be fun depending on context and, perhaps, how you define fun.

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    7. Guillermo Valle‏ @guillefix 11 Jan 2019
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      Perhaps there is a way to make most things fun. Then "learning should be fun" is an statement about how to approach what you learn rather than about what to learn

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2019
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      To give a drastic example: if you think that learning to care for a dying relative can mostly be made fun, you might have a very strange personality. More generally, fun is really not the point of life.

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    9. Guillermo Valle‏ @guillefix 11 Jan 2019
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      I said "most" precisely to avoid these. I am reminded of Feynman's "The highest forms of understanding we can achieve are laughter and human compassion". Perhaps, fun and compassion (under common defs) are the main components of what you call meaning.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2019
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      I will never understand the idea that meaning has anything to do with fun.

      4:14 PM - 11 Jan 2019 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Guillermo Valle‏ @guillefix 11 Jan 2019
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          The most fun I've personally had has been discovering difficult and interesting math/science concepts. I believe one of the main reasons it was fun is because these moments connected many dots, i.e. were really meaningful (under my def)

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Jan 2019
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          I agree, there are things we learn just because they are fun. It is just that the inverse does not hold: it is dangerous to make our ability to learn dependent on the content being fun.

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