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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      If someone from “respectable society” actually wants and supports Trump‘s wall, they probably won’t tell us, because the potential downside is larger than the upside, and we likely don’t know at least some their better arguments.

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    2. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      You mean potential downside of *telling us*?

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    3. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      I concur, we probably don’t hear the more reasonable arguments (on both sides imo). And to me that’s an interesting phenomena. Is it more effective at promoting one’s policies? If so, why? Or just a better virtue signal? Unsure myself tbh.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      Like with Brexit, a random person off the street (including myself) is unable to realistically predict the consequences and have little agency over their policy related beliefs. I sure hope the people whose models our public administration acts on have run good simulations.

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    5. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Fair. But wouldn’t you readily know “walls never work” is a bad argument?

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    6. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      And separate puzzle you raise: Why wouldn’t you learn which politicians and news sources are credible? (Most) people correctly learned, for instance, to trust Einstein when it comes to physics, even if they can’t evaluate his arguments.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      Mostly because there is no upside in having true political beliefs, instead of the right ones. We don’t get to act on political beliefs outside of elections very much, so their role is in negotiating alignment, not facts.

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    8. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Oh. Very true. And I think this is integral to why we get so much motivated reasoning in this domain (but to be clear, the argument you are giving would suggest when we have a real accuracy motive you wouldn’t see this? Is that your prediction? It’s mine.)

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      At some level, every mind must have an accuracy motive, or we’d go psychotic. The willingness to override it must be selective. Selective stupidity is possibly an adaptation that many of our ancestors were selected for at swordpoint.

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    10. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Yes. Very much agree. The question is then when do we override it. And in which Qays do we then allow our beliefs or logic to be biased. Just random? Or...? In particular why the bias in my original post?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      It would be interesting to see some people discuss Israel’s wall in the west bank at the same time as Trump’s wall.

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        2. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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          :). Touché. Cause Israel’s wall seems to be working (afaik?) But to be honest the same liberals who don’t like trumps wall won’t like bibi’s (albeit the cutoff point on the left-right spectrum is probably farther right for trumps?)

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        3. Erez Yoeli‏ @erezyoeli 4 Jan 2019
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          Trump supporters do cite Israel's fences/walls as examples of successful barriers.

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