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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Moshe Hoffman Retweeted MOURNING CROW PUNISHER Derek

      The argument that walls *generally* don’t work (which is prima facie absurd) provides an interesting illustration of how motivated reasoning works in political arguments.https://twitter.com/PereGrimmer/status/1076616122844229632 …

      Moshe Hoffman added,

      MOURNING CROW PUNISHER Derek @PereGrimmer
      Literally all of these walls worked. https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1076538271310721030 …
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    2. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      (We really don’t want Trumps wall. So *any* arguments that would undermine his wall are readily believed and propogated. Even the arguments that we would otherwise know are silly. Even when there are very legitimate arguments at hand.)

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman

      If someone from “respectable society” actually wants and supports Trump‘s wall, they probably won’t tell us, because the potential downside is larger than the upside, and we likely don’t know at least some their better arguments.

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    4. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz

      You mean potential downside of *telling us*?

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    5. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      I concur, we probably don’t hear the more reasonable arguments (on both sides imo). And to me that’s an interesting phenomena. Is it more effective at promoting one’s policies? If so, why? Or just a better virtue signal? Unsure myself tbh.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @Moshe_Hoffman

      Like with Brexit, a random person off the street (including myself) is unable to realistically predict the consequences and have little agency over their policy related beliefs. I sure hope the people whose models our public administration acts on have run good simulations.

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    7. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz

      Fair. But wouldn’t you readily know “walls never work” is a bad argument?

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      Yes, but we are nerds. Our allergic reaction to statements that are obviously false is automatic. Normies may feel that such a statement is sometimes “right”, which is like “true” but also “good”...

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    9. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @Plinz

      Fair. Good point. But is that just because of motivated reasoning? And hence the phenomena/puzzle I started with? Or you think they are actually using logic/language, even outside of the political discourse, differently?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Jan 2019
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      Political alignments trumps reason for most people. You cannot argue against their political positions withput antagonizing them, even and especially if you are correct.

      2:10 PM - 4 Jan 2019
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        2. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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          100% agree. (Well 99%. I think there are *some* ways to persuade. But that’s a different discussion.) But still, if this is driven by political alignments, still have to clarify how “political alignments” works, and why it leads to *this* logical bias? Eg could be ...

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        3. Moshe Hoffman‏ @Moshe_Hoffman 4 Jan 2019
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          Signals political allegiance. Or Is effective for political party, which somehow you are motivated to help with (perhaps because of peer pressure from other party members or leaders?) Or ? What do you think?

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