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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2018
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      Paradigmatic progress in the sciences has stalled since the 1970ies. There is disagreement about whether we have just figured out all the relevant paradigms, or whether we shifted from answering questions (which is cross disciplinary) to applying methods (cementing disciplines).

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2018
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      We certainly reward scientists not so much for delivering fundamental insights, but for exemplary application of methods, usually with minimal returns for the way we understand the universe. A paradigmatic contribution is mostly seen as an advance in methodology, not in insight.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2018
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      Autonomous intellects (like Wolfram) exist, but they are insular, because they don't integrate well with scientific institutions, so the mainstream does not perceive them as relevant. We don't see schools of modernist thinkers (like the cyberneticians or first gen AI) any more.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2018
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      This is especially blatant in academic AI: researchers don't take interesting stances about psychology or philosophy as they did in the 1960ies. There is also no consequential disagreement, just methodological competition between a focus on statistics, logic, applications etc.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Dec 2018
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      This coincides with understanding scientists as generic: ideas were once thought to be creations of individuals, now we think science is done by whoever we pay to do so. Status in science does not result from a unique perspective, but from diligence in an affirmative environment.

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    6. human evolution‏ @davidarredondo 23 Dec 2018
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      So Turoch, Penrose, Deutsch, Witten? Hofstader, Tononi, Guth don't count?

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      Most of these are members of the last, modernist generation. Nobody engages Penrose on Twistors very much, or Hofstadter on his infinist computation. Tononi has nobody to deconstruct IIT for him, etc. People either buy into or reject a paradigm, they work within, not across.

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          If that's the world you live in that's the world you live in.

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          I disagree and use the examples that you use for Penrose and Hofstader ( and the exclusion of Deustsh, Turoc, Guth) as the basis for my opinion.

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          Tononi has Koch, Chalmers, Crick and several others to deconstruct ITT.

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