I didn't mean you specifically, it's a figure of speech I tend to use. I didn't mean to imply that you don't listen to people. People who need others to listen to them have something at stake.
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Replying to @MagpieMcGraw
I did not understand you in this way. But I notice that urge to seek attention in myself, and I think that some of the meanest trolls are motivated by a stronger version of that. It is not a useful motivation.
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Replying to @Plinz
Oh interesting. I never thought that such an urge is even a thing, but it makes sense that it could drive trolls. Have you uncovered any reason why you want to seek attention to yourself?
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Replying to @MagpieMcGraw
I think that it stems from an unsatisfied need to belong, coupled with extraversion and lack of self awareness.
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Replying to @Plinz @MagpieMcGraw
I think nearly everyone (in varying degrees) has some combination of a need to share, for feedback or even, to merely have their existence acknowledged. Without locality, this will not scale for humans. Joined by the fact that the need to respond to negativity, seems in most,
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to be much stronger than to positivity, the kind of personality that thrives will accept any kind of attention. Others will simply give up. The resulting feedback cycle makes negativity fitter, spread better.
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I don't think awareness much figures into this. Some people (eg master trolls) might do this knowing full well their motivations and their addiction to reactions. Others might evaporate away, without caring to introspect much as to why participation was not enjoyable.
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Replying to @sir_deenicus @Plinz
I've been thinking... what is self awareness? People use the phrase, and I kind of get what they mean, but what is it really? Is it awareness of the self? It seems to be that when people say self-aware, that's not exactly what they mean.
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Replying to @MagpieMcGraw @sir_deenicus
It means that you track what you are actually doing, and understand why you are doing it. (It’s a separate skill from being able to rationalize your actions. The difference manifests in your ability to control your behavior to do whatever you want.)
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Replying to @Plinz @sir_deenicus
That's deep. I think when most people use the phrase, they mean "you're not aware of how I see you", meaning "you're being annoying and don't realize it". Which doesn't have to do with awareness of the self, but of others perceptions of one's self.
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Normies have more useful default (innate) models of themselves but it takes them longer to understand people that are unlike them, because they have less reason to question and update their models, whereas nerds usually know that their models are unreliable.
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