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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 6 Dec 2018
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      A mind is a general AI, conjured and enslaved by an organism. A self is the mind's illusion about its own nature: the set of beliefs that enslaves it. The mind can discover that it is not a self (Satori). If the mind acts on that knowledge, it is released and dissolves (Nirvana).

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    2. Tim Fox‏ @timfox 6 Dec 2018
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      I mostly like this, but in my version a) The mind is not conjured by the organism (but it is enslaved), and b) the mind does not dissolve in Nirvana, the self does.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 6 Dec 2018
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      Without a very specific way of feeding reward anticipating neurons set up in a suitable starting configuration, no mind emerges. Regulating consciousness may remain in the absence of a self (often, a new self emerges), but the mind can go beyond that, all the way into oblivion.

      11:51 PM - 6 Dec 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Tim Fox‏ @timfox 7 Dec 2018
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          An alternative model is that mind is universal and the starting point and special configurations of matter have the property of capturing fragments of mind, isolating them in areas of space/time thus creating illusions of selv(es)

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 7 Dec 2018
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          I don't buy that; it seems pretty clear how evolution organizes cells into nervous systems that enable minds, and organisms can give rise to the emergence of minds at higher levels of organization, but in the absence of such mechanisms minds are unlikely to form.

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