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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 27 Oct 2018
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      Let’s follow your comment to its natural conclusion, then. Hence, if any idea has economic value it is therefore not intellectual. Continuing, the only One True and Pure Intellect is a person who offers absolute no measurable value to humanity.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Oct 2018
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      I think that the economic value, the intellectual value and the normative value of an idea are orthogonal dimensions. I don't intend to dismiss any of these dimensions.

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    3. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 27 Oct 2018
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      And yet, you seemingly disparaged an idea because, to you, it served only the market, and was not sufficiently “intellectual.”

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Oct 2018
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      That was not my intention. I had not expressed clearly which dimension of goodness of ideas I wanted to talk about, which has led to a misunderstanding.

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    5. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 27 Oct 2018
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      You writing about drinking and driving, for example, would be utterly trivial, but only because you don't care about the subject, not because it isn't sufficiently "intellectual."

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Oct 2018
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      No, I just think that the physiological, factual and normative relationships between drinking and driving have been explored to such a degree that we probably won't wrestle much new insight by revisiting them, compared to what we could to in the meantime.

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    7. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 27 Oct 2018
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      You think. I respect you think that way. But I also hope your intellect is sufficiently embracing so as to permit the idea that you might be wrong and that others can indeed find value in the topic.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Oct 2018
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      Absolutely. I thought that is so obvious and self evident that it does not require mentioning. Any edge of understanding that any human mind can hope to pass will will trivial some time later on, and turn out to be wrong in a larger context.

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    9. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 27 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @RitaJKing

      Well, with all due respect, you can be rather absolute and dismissive. Love you dearly, man, but still...

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    10. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Grady_Booch @RitaJKing

      Sincerely, I think that we are misunderstanding each other, and it might be helpful for both of us to take a step back and try to understand what the other side is trying to convey.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @Grady_Booch @RitaJKing

      There is also that fact that we possibly live in different epistemological and metaphysical worlds and it may sometimes be difficult to translate, and easy to miss that one of us is pointing at a different thing than the other thinks he or she does. Love you too.

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        2. mattgiammarino‏ @mattgiammarino 31 Oct 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @Grady_Booch @RitaJKing

          You three are quite straightforward but sweet to each other, even though you clearly experience different worlds. I've seen it in other threads too. Ty.

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        3. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 31 Oct 2018
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          We do care about each other, Matt, and that was a sweet thing to say.

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