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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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      But it's people inside the ideology who are supposed to be identifying their worst / least convincing ideas so as to promote them; what I'm saying is they prob can't identify those, but they can certainly identify their most distinctive

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Oct 2018
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      Do you think that having an ideology is incompatible with having sound epistemology?

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    3. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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      No, of course not

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Oct 2018
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      In that case, it should be totally possible for an adherent of an ideology to recognize which ideas are mere totems and which are intrinsically sound.

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    5. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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      Ok, which ideas that you believe in are not intrinsically sound?

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Oct 2018
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      I have been to the place of utter disbelief often enough to recognize that believe should not be a verb, i.e. every relationship between believer and belief is fishy. But in my human mode I can give you a long list. For starters, my children look better than yours. :)

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    7. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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      Fair enough, but that's something that you believe in a very particular way. And the neutral observer could easily decide it was well-founded

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @EdmundGriffiths @zerology

      The problems arise when a moral cause is argued to be conditional on particular facts. If an outsider disputes the facts, the believer usually assumes that one must also dismiss the cause, hence disputing the facts is not allowed. This may lead people to begin opposing the cause.

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    9. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @zerology

      That's certainly something that can happen, but I don't see that it's a general rule

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    10. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @EdmundGriffiths @Plinz @zerology

      (And of course a given view of the facts is often relevant to deciding what the moral response should be. People sometimes think they're arguing about principles when actually they're arguing about the facts)

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 17 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @EdmundGriffiths @zerology

      It seems to me that eg Damore or Summers thought they were arguing about facts while most of their opponents thought they were arguing about the moral principles

      5:37 PM - 17 Oct 2018 from BOSTON (MANCHESTER)
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        1. Edmund Griffiths‏ @EdmundGriffiths 17 Oct 2018
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          Yes, it can be either way around; or lots of other permutations

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