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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      The distinction between rules and rulership is not problematic to Gillis' philosophy. It's also a rather elementary one. It's okay if you're unfamiliar but it's also okay if he'd rather not tutor on this topic.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2018
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      Why will individuals obey rules without governance, if people "suck" (<– bad political philosophy) and are sociopathic (yes, about 6%)? Some people will aways break all the rules if they think it benefits them.

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    3. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      I won't imagine I could speak for Gillis, but to my mind there are a wide variety of kinds of rules, many of which are discovered and/or implicit. Others are explicit, or even contrived.

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    4. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      Rulership, while etymologically linked to 'rules', is about a narrow range from the overall set of rules. It's tied to the role of ruling, which involves status as an authority, the kind that demands obedience not the kind that's knowledgeable.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2018
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      My question was not about etymology, but about governance. Gillis seems to say: cells are sociopathic, so lets not have a central nervous system and immune response, but lets give every cell a way to damage its neighbors and they'll form a superior organism.

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    6. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      Apologists for the state claim it is an organic whole, each of us is but a cell in its grand functioning. Gillis and co. call bullshit on that. Conflating the state with society is a partisan con.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2018
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      I don't doubt the sincerity of your statement, but could you rephrase it without moral emotions? Do you think that there is a stable social equilibrium without a state monopoly on violence, and it works better? If so, is there any empirical evidence or game theoretic proof?

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    8. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      Thank you for this request. I did get my start in this area from ethical incentives and Gillis is explicit about ethics being central. I have, however, shifted to far greater concern with systematics, incentive structures, economics, etc.

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    9. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      The predominance of the state is a fact, but a contingent one. You seem aware that its potency is closely tied with firearms. This tie suggests a couple things.

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    10. Tracy Harms‏ @kaleidic 14 Oct 2018
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      First, that it's somewhat novel. (500 years max.) Second, that it's to large degree a product of technological breakthroughs. These sink both the notion that it can be done away with on whim, and also the idea that the modern state is an indefinitely stable pattern.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2018
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      The modern state is probably unstable, which freaks people out that look at it, because the failure of the state usually does not portend paradise, but civil war.

      12:54 PM - 14 Oct 2018
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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2018
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          It is a game theoretic problem: if players get more food in the short run by armed robbery than by working the fields, then the fields will lie fallow. The solution is to increase the cost of armed robbery by protecting the farmers with a standing army or a nuke.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 14 Oct 2018
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          The standing army is either formed once the armed robbers consolidate their spheres of influence and begin farming their famers, or once the farmers get together and pay for a militia and magistrates to fight off invaders. The result is pretty much the same.

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