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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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      Reality is the physical ground truth of the universe. It is the subject of foundational physics. Experience is phenomenology, and generated in brains, as part of an attempt to model reality.

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    2. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 15 Sep 2018
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      OK, so you are looking at higher consciousness (2nd person aka, emotional, third person aka intellectual, 4th person, aka philosophical) experiences here. I include your "unconscious" physical (first person) experiences that are literally what reality IS, in "experience".

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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      No, I don’t think that we can get our words to mean similar things.

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    4. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 15 Sep 2018
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      Yeah, that's ok. They don't need to mean the same things. As long as at least one of us understands what the other means. I think I understand your meanings.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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      I am pretty sure you don’t, and your thinking is so muddled that you cannot know that. The pattern I try to discuss is simple but well defined. Your filter softens the structural order to much that you cannot discern its details any more.

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    6. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 15 Sep 2018
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      That's a pretty good way of describing the difference between our brains. Yours is very focused on narrow details (masculine), while mine is focused on the broad view (feminine). Bu, you talk in broad-view language, so it takes exploration to understand which detail you mean.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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      I am constructing a broad view from narrow detail.

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    8. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 15 Sep 2018
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      But, in case you don't think I appreciate you, I should point out that you know more about those three oak trees than I ever could. <3

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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      That is not the issue. It is just that you seem to think that tree, forest and green refer to roughly the same thing, and then use them to talk about clouds.

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    10. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 15 Sep 2018
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      I see how things nest, in sets within sets. So, yes, it's easy for me to see how a green thing is part of a tree, which is part of a forest, which is a cloud of life.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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      At the same time, you don't understand the actual content of my words, and don't even seem to notice that.

      10:45 AM - 15 Sep 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 15 Sep 2018
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          Which is why I ask you to clarify your meaning. So that I can translate your words into what makes sense to me. But there's no way for you to understand what I understand, since you don't understand what I see.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 15 Sep 2018
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          I don’t think that you mentally represent the structural relationships that I talk about. Hence my words cannot have a referent, so communication is difficult.

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