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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 Sep 2018
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      It seems to me that civilizations have an emergent intellect that operates and updates on a larger timescale than individual generations, and is usually not comprehended and rarely apprehended by even the most educated members of its polis.

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    2. Justin Scholz‏ @JMoVS 5 Sep 2018
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      Do you if you haven‘t already, Don Hoffman has an interesting model about conciousness. Eg listen to episode 26 of the „After on“ podcast or read his papers, fascinating mind bend. ;-)

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    3. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 11 Sep 2018
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      Thanks for the recommendation. I'd never seen this guy before. I'm really curious about his theory that evolution weeds out individuals who "see reality accurately". That seems so strange. Though clearly we each have our own unique experience of reality, which is very real.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Sep 2018
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      His thought is not that evolution weeds out those that see the universe correctly, but that it did not equip us with ways to do so. For instance, there is no color or sound in the universe; both are merely aspects of the models our brain comes up with.

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    5. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 11 Sep 2018
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      What would it mean for something to see reality "as it is" then? I mean, obviously we need to use models and metaphor to compare X to Y, so there has to be interpretation. But the brain takes it all in as accurately as possible.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Sep 2018
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      As far as I understand it, you could say that the brain represents the world using 50 maps with about a megapixel resolution each, and complex relationships between the pixels. That gives intricate models, but they are very much unlike the real universe.

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    7. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 11 Sep 2018
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      Yeah, the models we construct are diverse, and are based on all the previous sensory data our brain has collected. But I don't see any reason to think that the original data is bad/unrealistic. But I can see what he and you are talking about. The map is not the territory.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Sep 2018
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      The data is entirely unrealistic. The difference between the evolution of the state vector of the universe and the sparse, noisy excitations your sensory nerves register is vast.

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    9. Turil Cronburg‏ @thewiseturtle 11 Sep 2018
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      I'd call it limited and focused, rather than unrealistic. The real data is being measured, but with a specific kind of tool. Like taking a photograph on color film instead of an MRI. It's still real. But not the whole picture of reality. But sure, I understand what you're saying.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 11 Sep 2018
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      It is often a problem when we are confused about things without knowing that we are confused. We may experience our faulty model as reality, and readily map what other people are saying to that faulty model, missing the differences that meant to elucidate the error of the model.

      12:26 PM - 11 Sep 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        1. Justin Scholz‏ @JMoVS 11 Sep 2018
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          YES. And the funny part is if you‘re more aware of your own model, and ask questions about the model structure of others, they often perceive it as „belittling“ because it‘s so „blatantly obvious“ what he answer to that question is...

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        1. Justin Scholz‏ @JMoVS 11 Sep 2018
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          BTW I had a twitter thread outburst yesterday you two might enjoy:https://twitter.com/JMoVS/status/1039258425832730624 …

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          Justin Scholz @JMoVS
          The very idea of an independent and egalitarian legal and justice system requires some sort of superficial consciousness. It‘s what we call our „social fabric“.
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