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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Vijay Chidambaram‏ @vj_chidambaram 9 Sep 2018
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      This is false and harmful. It projects “good” programmers as people who do it for fun: competence has nothing to do with this, and plenty of programmers with families see it as a job, and they are excellent at what they do.https://twitter.com/digilearningHQ/status/1038487436005920769 …

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      ‘Most good programmers do programming not because they expect to get paid or get adulation by the public, but because it is fun to program.’ - Linus Torvalds #tech #education #programming pic.twitter.com/o82WXwdQQn
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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @vj_chidambaram

      I suspect that this argument is mixing ability, innate attention, personality, economic circumstances, biographies and political ideas as if they were the same issue. This lens may be too blurry if we want to resolve the quality and motivation of programmers in the real world?

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    3. Stuart Quinn‏ @Stuartq 9 Sep 2018
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      That's exactly the problem with Linus's quote. I'm probably one of the people who was interested in programming long before I was aware how lucrative it could be, but I still work for money. If coding didn't pay, I wouldn't be doing it, I gotta eat.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @Stuartq @vj_chidambaram

      Linus' quote does not imply that good programmers don't work to get paid. I think he points out that if you intrinsically enjoy programming, you will likely become a better programmer. Don't let the job destroy the joy. (This applies to most skills.)

      8:49 AM - 9 Sep 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Stuart Quinn‏ @Stuartq 9 Sep 2018
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          He doesn't *imply* don't work to get paid, that's what he explicitly says. Your interpretation is what is implied. That might even be what he meant. But what he said was "most good programmers do programming not because they expect to get paid" I enjoy coding, but I do it to eat.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Sep 2018
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          So it comes down to an empirical question: is the majority of the top 20% of programmers intrinsically extrinsically motivated? Should be possible to find out if Linus was wrong!

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