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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      It's almost 1am here, I'll try to get back to you tomorrow. Lots of food for thought here, I need to reflect! Thank you for your engagement :)

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 23 Aug 2018
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      It is almost 2am here, good night!

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    3. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      Still awake, so I'll try to give some preliminary responses now. 1. You seem to be assuming that the only argument for God's existence / the only information we have regarding the nature of God stems from occasionalism. But this is not true in Islamic theology. /1

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    4. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      Firstly, there are several other arguments for God's existence. Between these, we can (through a mixture of deduction and induction) build up something of a picture of God. Secondly, there is revelation, which can shed a lot of light on the 'necessary existent'. /2

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    5. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      AQ Retweeted Joscha Bach

      2. You seem to just be "explaining" one regularity by correlating it with other regularities. We would then need to explain this correlation, and these other regularities, and so on and so forth. /3https://twitter.com/Plinz/status/1032775423619420161?s=19 …

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      Joscha Bach @Plinz
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      As an aside: we know what makes cotton combust when we bring fire near it: photons (carriers of an electromagnetic field in the infrared range) increase the momentum of the cotton's molecules until bonds break and recombine with atmospheric oxygen, thereby releasing more photons.
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    6. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      AQ Retweeted Joscha Bach

      3. You're assuming that these traits are fundamental to God, and then being the sole and direct cause of everything has just been tacked on. But that is not so. In Islamic theology, His necessary existence, His omnipotence, His "immediacy", and so on /4https://twitter.com/Plinz/status/1032771893865136128?s=19 …

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      Joscha Bach @Plinz
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      Conversely, if you already have a God in your attic that is busy with having intentions, giving meaning to your existence or helping you smite your enemies, tasking it additionally with being the Standard Model is a sleight of hand.
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    7. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      are fundamental. Mainstream theology holds these features of God can be known through pure reason prior to any revelation. Once reason has established these features of God, reason can then establish the logical possibility of revelation, and criteria by which /5

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    8. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      true revelation can be identified. Only then - according to the majority of Islamic theologians - can we discover the truth of Islam, and all the features of God which you identified in your tweet. /6

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    9. AQ‏ @Evollaqi 23 Aug 2018
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      Thus rather than occasionalism being tacked onto God, it is a fundamental feature of (our knowledge of) Him, and it is these other traits which are then being tacked on. What are your thoughts? Have I understood your points correctly? I really appreciate you engaging :)

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    10. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Aug 2018
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      A statement about an item of faith is not a true statement about reality, but a true statement about the state of the mind holding the faith. It involves a belief without priors, something that cannot validly be inferred in any other way but by observing your own mind.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Aug 2018
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      For instance, there can hardly be a valid perceptual observation that informs you that you were created by an intentional being rather than a mechanical process. It is important to not engage in motivated reasoning.

      3:43 AM - 24 Aug 2018 from Prague, Czech Republic
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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Aug 2018
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          There can be no evidence for the existence of an ontologically existing being that is omnipotent. If you find yourself holding non-zero confidence in its existence (i.e. confidence that is higher than evidential support), your mind finds itself in its presence, but it's not true.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 24 Aug 2018
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          What is true is that you indeed have that experience, because you (as an experiencing self) exist inside of the mind that generates you based on its confidences, regardless of whether the confidence is based on sound epistemology. Religion usually breaks epistemology.

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