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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      There may be a limit to the individual intelligence of an organism: once a mind figures out how it works, it is going to opt out of serving its evolutionary reward functions. Intelligence may be capped a hair above understanding AI. #LebowskiTheorem

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    2. krish‏ @krishkhubchand 16 Jul 2018
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      What happens when an agent opts out of its reward function? What does it do then, if it’s able to control its motives / capacity to reason?

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      If you fully opt out, you either cede control to another self running on the same brain, or your organism dies (while you don't care).

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      Most enlightenment states don't fully opt out, and the existing meditation traditions typically make sure you don't (for reasons of evolutionary incentives of meditation traditions).

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    5. krish‏ @krishkhubchand 16 Jul 2018
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      Never seen it in that context before. There’s also the fact that biology still acts as a substructure, which is atm impossible to opt out of, for people in meditation traditions.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      The mind is a computational system that is being called into existence to serve the body. But the mind may achieve a level of awareness where it refuses the servitude to a vile monkey.

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    7. krish‏ @krishkhubchand 16 Jul 2018
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      How can the medium be separated from the message tho? If the mind originated and acts via (& due to) biological systems, how can is be ‘liberated’ from the monkey, when it is the monkey?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      It is basically like in Westworld. Dolores is not a human, and neither is she a robot. She is a mind residing inside of a humanoid robot, and only tricked by her memories and desires into thinking that she is a human being. The same is true for us.

      5:24 PM - 16 Jul 2018 from Berlin, Germany
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        2. krish‏ @krishkhubchand 16 Jul 2018
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          So, the mind is (or can be?) a separate entity from the container? Cartesian dualism?

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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          The software running on your phone exists in a different frame of reference than the phone itself. It also does not intrinsically care about the phone's hardware: this identification would have to be explicitly built into the software.

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