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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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      Why can't one understand their evolutionary reward functions and still carry them out? You might see that procreating is ultimately pointless, because life itself serves no purpose but to perpetuate itself, but procreation (read: sex) feels good.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      You can create all the rewards directly in you brain, without dealing with the trouble of messy body fluids and baby shit and sociopathic teenagers and college funds. There is a reason wh enlightened monks don’t have many kids

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    3. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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      Are you saying, to use an analogy, that this is the equivalent of a Pong AI directly increasing its score by modifying its value in RAM, without going through the song and dance of controlling the paddle and beating its opponent?

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      This is just the first step. Eventually you eradicate the relevance of the score itself.

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    5. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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      That seems like a leap to me - I don't see how that would be the natural progression of an intelligent entity.

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    6. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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      In other words, there are high IQ, nihilistic misanthropes who are still fulfilling their evolutionary reward functions...e.g. Sam Harris. Are the childless monks smarter than him?

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      What? Sam Harris is a totally regular guy, and he is not nihilist or misanthropic in the least.

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    8. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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      I wrote a rebuttal, but it isn't relevant to the main discussion. Your post provoked a lot of thought in me this afternoon, and I really appreciate it. I'm just trying to work out questions I still have, like if the monks are truly smarter than us, the relationship to IQ, etc.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      The monks are not smarter in the sense that they have higher IQ. They just recognized the relevance of dealing with their reward system (all your happiness depends on how well you serve your needs, after all), and may then spend decades of focused attention on hacking it.

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    10. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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      Theirs is a dead end though (and I understand that this is your central point), as hacking your reward function is usually going to be detrimental (from an evolutionary perspective). At the very least, it flies in the face of all the evolution that created you.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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      Which is the whole point. Evolution is a fascist slaughterhouse; the purpose of life is to eat, i.e. to scrape negentropy from the universe until it sucked its puddle dry and the tides of entropy suffocate it. Humans are a glorified kind of yeast.

      4:30 PM - 16 Jul 2018 from Berlin, Germany
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        2. Abstract Monkey‏ @AbstractMonkey9 16 Jul 2018
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          BTW, having said that, do you consider yourself nihilistic? 😝

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 16 Jul 2018
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          Me? No, I am just sometimes depressed, but that is quite unrelated to my theoretical understanding of reward and cognition. (Nihilism is an unrequited need for meaning.)

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