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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      I am somewhat sympathetic to that point of view, in the very most abstract sense. However...

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    2. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      Both you and I come from the very privileged position of being white men in Western society. I suspect that many many non-white/non-men would (rightfully) point out they (tragically) have been impeded by the (clear and present) group identities.

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    3. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      Wishing that were not so will not bring about change; it seems to me that first understanding and accepting the gender divide and the forces that led to it are essential to change, a change that will likely take generations.

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    4. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      Also, please consider the context of this thread. Ms Mensch @LouiseMensch asserted that coding is "a masculine pursuit"; I was offering important counterexamples that were significant in the history of computing.

      2 replies 2 retweets 23 likes
    5. Louise Mensch‏Verified account @LouiseMensch 8 Jul 2018
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      But anecdote is not evidence. I gave the example of pilots as an analogy. There is no field, including aviation, where women have not “made a significant contribution” and yet the numbers are not the same, not close, and are never likely to become close.

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    6. Rebecca Case‏ @mrcase77 8 Jul 2018
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      The things that keep women in low numbers in computing isn’t the thought process required or anything like that. Part of it has been that you used to feel like you had to work 60 hour weeks, part of it is you can’t sit out for a few years and easily come back cause tech moves on

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    7. Rebecca Case‏ @mrcase77 8 Jul 2018
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      That makes it hard on women who want to have a family. And part of it is, at some companies, the culture can be aboys club. But the work itself...you’re just issuing instructions to a computer in languages that look increasingly English like.

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    8. Rebecca Case‏ @mrcase77 8 Jul 2018
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      There needs to be more than just 20-30 year old white and Asian dudes writing it, because software isn’t just used by 20-30 year old white and Asian dudes. It’s used by everyone. The people writing it have a heavy hand in how it comes out.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Jul 2018
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      I very respectfully suggest that you check if "dudes" may contain a sexist stereotype. Most software is written by slightly autistic men and women, with autistic men outnumbering autistic women 5:1. Most UX design is done by non-autistic women and men, with women at >50%.

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    10. Rebecca Case‏ @mrcase77 9 Jul 2018
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      Oh no, by "dudes" I meant men. My whole point is there should be more diversity in the people writing software because the people who are use it and are affected by it are diverse. I've never seen that autism assertion.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Jul 2018
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      By the way, do you feel that the gender disparity in psychology and education (which mirrors the one in stem) may be the result of an environment that is unwelcoming and sexist against men?

      12:18 PM - 9 Jul 2018 from Bibbona, Tuscany
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        2. Rebecca Case‏ @mrcase77 9 Jul 2018
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          Oh, I would expect there are gender stereotypes that cause that. Those are “nurturing” careers. Same thing with nursing. Therapists and teachers also tend to be underpaid.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 10 Jul 2018
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          How would you measure the impact of stereotypes vs. innate motivational traits? What do you make of the Norwegian gender paradox, for instance?

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