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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 7 Jul 2018
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      Ada Lovelace devised the first program. Grace Hopper wrote the first complier. Margaret Hamilton started the field of software engineering. Women have always been and will always be essential to the advance of computing.https://twitter.com/louisemensch/status/1015775582263627776 …

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      Louise MenschVerified account @LouiseMensch
      Replying to @starree @nwinston and 3 others
      No. Look, I’m a conservative, prepare yourselves for some gendered views based on brain difference... :) I’m always going to be surprised if a woman codes. I can’t code at all :) some do no doubt but it seems a masculine pursuit to me
      84 replies 2,141 retweets 5,167 likes
    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 8 Jul 2018
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      The gender or sexuality or ideology of a person are not essential to advancing computing. They are actually distractions that take away useful parts of the brain by diverting motivation, attention and cortical estate from thinking about computation.

      3 replies 2 retweets 34 likes
    3. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      At the highest, most pure level of abstraction, I agree with you. But in all other aspects of the human elements of computing, with all due respect, I think you are profoundly wrong.

      1 reply 0 retweets 46 likes
    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 8 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Grady_Booch

      Likewise, dear Grady!

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz

      Then, on this matter, we shall agree to disagree.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 8 Jul 2018
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      I just do not see a trajectory where you wake up people into separate competing group identities and it does not end ugly. Identity politics is toxic to pluralist society. My bet is that the current anti liberal us against them leftism will flip into rightism.

      2 replies 0 retweets 13 likes
    7. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz

      I am somewhat sympathetic to that point of view, in the very most abstract sense. However...

      1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
    8. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 8 Jul 2018
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      Both you and I come from the very privileged position of being white men in Western society. I suspect that many many non-white/non-men would (rightfully) point out they (tragically) have been impeded by the (clear and present) group identities.

      4 replies 3 retweets 84 likes
      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 8 Jul 2018
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      No, I am a nerd and have been borderline suicidal because of that for most of my life. I am also aware that I am stuck with an inferior gender. I learned coding as a child and studied cs despite the nerd stigma and discouragement it carried in the 1980ies.

      5:00 AM - 8 Jul 2018
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        2. Dr Anne Cregan‏ @AnneCregan 10 Jul 2018
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          If you don't mind me asking: 1) Why do you consider it an inferior gender? 2) Why does being a nerd make you feel borderline suicidal? Both these assertions greatly concern me as a human being.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 10 Jul 2018
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          I won’t go there on public twitter, but Scott Aaronson said most of what needs to be said in comment 171: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=2091#comment-326664 …

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        2. Carlos E. Perez‏ @IntuitMachine 8 Jul 2018
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          It's unfortunate that we live in a society that discourages intellectual pursuits (or any pursuit that is outside the norm). Nature however teaches us that diversity is what's most important. Furthermore, it's each person's uniqueness that gives them a sense of meaning in life.

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        3. Carlos E. Perez‏ @IntuitMachine 8 Jul 2018
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          Diversity, however is not optimal, yet for creativity and emergence, it is essential.https://medium.com/intuitionmachine/human-personalities-are-just-preferences-between-exploitation-and-exploration-37a2a59459b0 …

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        2. Jing 靖源‏ @joekina 8 Jul 2018
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          I am not competent enough to be called a nerd (according to my std, at least) but I was a loner simply because I tried too hard to be as honest as possible. And I always have the feeling that my gender is inferior, short-lived, and more prone to be controlled by my male-ape body.

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        3. Jing 靖源‏ @joekina 8 Jul 2018
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          I also find that it is rare for a man to thinking like this. I think that most men think they are superior, either consciously or unconsciously.

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