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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018

    "Science isn’t the sum of what scientists think. Had science operated by majority consensus we would be still stuck in the Middle Ages and Einstein would have ended as he started, a patent clerk with fruitless side hobbies." — Nassim Nicholas Taleb

    12:51 AM - 2 Jul 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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      2. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        This reminds me of the output of that Deepak Chopra comment generator

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @RitaJKing

        I think that he is right, though. In the scholastic middle ages, truth was political: a theory had not necessarily to be epistemologically correct, but conform to pious values and authority. So science languished. Chopra is beelining directly for pious audience approval.

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      4. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        Science languishes now (in some ways, in other ways the genie is out of the bottle) for the same reason. Funding agencies being unwilling to accept risk or failure, for example.

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      5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @RitaJKing

        Science seems to flourish in waves (renaissance, enlightenment, positivism, modernism). At the moment, I see a lot of amazing progress in narrow domains, but it is drowned out in the general din. Perhaps because everything else is so loud now?

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      6. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        I am amazed every day by advances made in science. What we lack is the will to take a widespread interest (easier to get whipped into an emotional frenzy) and a consistent delivery system to get advances flourishing in a timely fashion in an archaic healthcare system.

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      7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @RitaJKing

        Yes, which is why the notion of a general human "we" in science is absurd. The folks that really care about getting it right are always a tiny minority.

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      8. Rita J. King‏ @RitaJKing 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        Most people don't care how the light goes on when they flip the switch, or how their food stays cold in the fridge, or heats up in the oven, or how medicine works. Most don't think about the flickering flame of consciousness on this rock in space.

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      9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @RitaJKing

        Most people find it offensive if someone pursues truth in an area where the socially preferred way of thinking is settled.

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      2. they’re concentration camps.‏ @dxppxr_dxn 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        Einstein needed poincare, and maxwell, Boltzmann and the mob of experimentalista to prove his theories. Part of science is the ability to shift to the preciously unthinkable . It’s still a sum, just certain factors are larger and negative with respect to the previous factors.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @dxppxr_dxn

        As an isolated individual, the human mind is too small and short lived to bootstrap itself into general intelligence. But that does not make truth social! Quite the opposite: Science needs to favor the radical pursuit of truth over social alignment.

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      4. they’re concentration camps.‏ @dxppxr_dxn 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        truth itself is certainly not social! It is truth. But the pursuit of truth is social. Because you are right, the human mind is too small and short. Without the social we would be without the truth. We have to distinguish between Science the tool and science the group of humans.

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      5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @dxppxr_dxn

        Perhaps it helps if you dissect the notion of sociality. I don't think that the ability to learn language and read what others write will necessarily qualify as social in an interesting sense. But adapting your beliefs to what others think is social, and does not maximize truth.

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      1. Philip Baldock‏ @philip_baldock 2 Jul 2018
        Replying to @Plinz

        Our creative work relegated to fruitless side hobbies is still as much a danger as it's ever been for the average scientist or engineer. Keeps me up at night.

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