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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @AuralLoom @jordanbpeterson

      God is the identification of the superorganism by the individual serving within it. That is why it makes sense to project God as intentional, beholden to goals and values, having opinions about how well the individuals serve it, and authoring their reality.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Jun 2018
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      Functionally, God is a set of extrapersonal regulation principles that are implemented by the minds of the individuals subscribing to them.

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    3. Omar‏ @AuralLoom 26 Jun 2018
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      But the difference between this line of thinking and mainstream religious thinking is that the former understands that God, by your definition, did not exist before life did. The latter believes life was created by Him. This is a vitally important distinction.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Jun 2018
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      Yes, but the interpretation of God as creator of life instead of source of meaning cannot be asserted because there can in principle be no evidence for such claims. The universe does not have a secret gnostic interface that could reveal propositional knowlegde without evidence.

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    5. Omar‏ @AuralLoom 26 Jun 2018
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      And this is where the issue lives. Most believers perceive God as the creator of life, and because He is the creator His laws written in scripture are considered the only true source of fundamental ways of behaving morally. Your perception of God is deeply personal and malleable.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Jun 2018
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      If God were the creator of life (not of meaning), it would not logically follow that you would have a moral imperative do anything he says. That is a sleigh of hand. My own perceptions of things are deeply unpersonal and mathematical.

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    7. Omar‏ @AuralLoom 26 Jun 2018
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      I agree, but from the average Christian's perspective theirs is the biblical God, and they will not agree with you.

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Jun 2018
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      Why is that important? I am not used or aspire to be in agreement with people that have no agency over their beliefs.

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    9. Omar‏ @AuralLoom 26 Jun 2018
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      I bring it up because it's the same criticism that Peterson is receiving: we should not gerrymander the definition of God in a way that makes every motivated person a believer in Him because it is counterproductive when discussing the effects of the belief in authoritarian God.

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    10. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 26 Jun 2018
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      I am more interested in acquiring understanding, and perhaps in my own deprogramming. If that is occasionally useful to others, it makes me happy, but I don't presume to know what stances to faith are best for others.

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      Btw, of course God is authoritarian. The goal of devotion to the sacred is obedience to what one recognizes to be the right thing to do.

      8:17 PM - 26 Jun 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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