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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo 25 Jun 2018
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      Simon DeDeo Retweeted François Chollet

      This thread by @fchollet, applied to Bayesianism, is the basic counterargument to the last ten years of “AGI as existential threat”.https://twitter.com/fchollet/status/1010988618993655808 …

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      François CholletVerified account @fchollet
      Statements like "X is can be used to represent any program/function, therefore it is all we are every going to need" are pretty silly.
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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @MimeticValue @SimonDeDeo and

      People that think that modeling the complexity and functionality of a mind is going to stay out of our reach for long (or forever) are probably unrealistic. To show limits of Bayes etc. we may need more mathematical proofs, and less motivated reasoning.

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    3. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo 25 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and

      "probably unrealistic" is, unfortunately, science fiction. Meanwhile Bayes itself (along with Decision theory) is internally consistent—no proof within the system will show its limits...

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @SimonDeDeo @MimeticValue and

      Gary Marcus style arguments of innateness are probably not cutting it (he would have to show that evolutionary search somehow yielded results that cannot be efficiently replicated by any of the known algorithmic approaches).

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @SimonDeDeo and

      The question whether something is science fiction is entirely orthogonal to whether it is possible.

      9:31 AM - 25 Jun 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Simon DeDeo‏ @SimonDeDeo 25 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and

          The confusion between "possible to imagine" with "possible" seems to be at the heart of the claims you're making. No such algorithm or mechanism is remotely capable of the things you're suggesting (e.g., modeling the complexity and functionality of a mind).

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 25 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @SimonDeDeo @MimeticValue and

          I think that this is a nontrivial claim to make, even though most people would subscribe to it (and I share the intuition). But if you are concerned about AGI dangers, I don’t think it is good enough to make you feel safe.

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