Consciousness does not exist in relation to neurons or other physical entities. It is experienced by selfs, which happen to be fictional representations generated by brains. Consciousness is a self-experience of fictional characters.
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Replying to @Plinz
Trying to understand it. Have some naive doubts. Brain like a novelist creates characters experiencing the world. So, 1) Why brain creates such a fictional character and then feeding data making him feel like experiencing them? Whats the evolutionary advantage or value of +
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Replying to @dwindlinghandle @Plinz
creating such fictional characters? 2) What about suicide i.e. the character decides to end himself thereby ending not only him but the novelist(brain)? Why such free hand given to fictional characters? 3) How evolution has arrived with only one such structure of producing+
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Replying to @dwindlinghandle
The personal self is a model that the mind creates to evaluate and predict its trajectory through the world. Suicide happens when the projected trajectory does not lead anywhere useful.
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Replying to @Plinz
1) But does brain really need a model of "personal self" to track and predict its path in the world? 2) A person X takes his life for reason M, whereas another person may not so for the same reason. Is it not a disadvantage for the brain of person X thats its "self" model has
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Replying to @dwindlinghandle
1. If you depersonalize you tend to have difficulty to take care of yourself. 2. The reasons are not external, but depend on the model that person has. Most psychological issues are modeling defects.
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Replying to @Plinz
1) But isnt self-preservation the primary characteristics of life as of we know? So isnt some form of "caring" already there in life itself? 2) What I intended to mean was why would brain allow to develop such a fragile model which ends life itself on some trivial issues.+
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Replying to @dwindlinghandle
Life is just cells. And self preservation is not the highest goal if evolution optimizes for survival. Cells that don’t function well in their organism self destruct, so the fitness of the organism is increased. Individuals that don’t function well in their groups do the same.
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Replying to @Plinz
But not all organisms have brains(nervous system) capable of generating a model of "self"(depersonalization) but continue to protect/care themselves from harm. So what sort of caring or advantage does a "self" model of brain provide us with?
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Replying to @dwindlinghandle
It is the other way around. The more detailed the regulation you want to perform, the more detailed you model must be. Simpler organisms don't have a self model because they cannot afford a sufficiently complex modeling system (large nervous system plus long training period).
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We don't just regulate our food intake and body temperature, but families, societies, cultures, and our trajectory through them. We are not just organisms, we are agents that act several levels of organization above them.
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