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    Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Jun 2018
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    The intuition that complex learning systems are unreliable due to their inscrutable complexity will become moot once we train them to generate proof for their solutions.

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      2. Grady Booch‏Verified account @Grady_Booch 13 Jun 2018
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        We can’t even get close to that for symbolic systems...how will it be different for systems that learn?

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Jun 2018
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        The correctness of a proof is usually easy to verify, the problem is finding it. Machines have the ability to search through massive problem spaces in a much shorter time and much more systematically than humans.

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      2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Jun 2018
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        These are not the conditions under which you can prove correctness of the classification result (and no human can do that either). But you can prove the properties of the algorithm that you use to classify your data.

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      2. NeuroMyths‏ @NeuroMyths 13 Jun 2018
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        How will they prove that their proof-generating abilities are reliable? If the problem is inscrutable complexity then we can't check unless the proofs are scrutable.

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Jun 2018
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        Verifying that a proof is correct can usually be done by a much dumber algorithm (with proven properties) than constructing a proof.

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      2. 𝚗𝚒𝚋𝚋𝚕𝚎𝚛‏ @nblr 13 Jun 2018
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        Is this the machine version of “People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.”?

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Jun 2018
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        As long as the person interrupting you does not sit above you in the food chain, you can just ignore them...

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      1. Robert Janda‏ @RJsnda 13 Jun 2018
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        Maybe this process would be easier then the same one we are trying to accomplish in our own minds, wouldn't it?

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      2. rra‏ @rra 13 Jun 2018
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        What value is a proof if the solution is immoral or unethical?

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      3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 13 Jun 2018
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        Ethics is a principled approach to solving problems caused by conflicting interests under conditions of shared purpose. That is not a class of problems that does not yield to computational modeling.

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