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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Jun 2018
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      Some people, like Christof Koch, think that a simulation cannot become conscious. The irony is that only simulations can be conscious. Consciousness is a simulated property of a simulated system.

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    2. was?‏ @umruehren 9 Jun 2018
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      what is your criterion to tell apart a simulated system from a... also, what's the opposite of a simulated system?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Jun 2018
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      The ground truth has an actually implemented transition function. A simulacrum can only be described as if it did. I think that is what the difference comes down to. Most models are simulacra.

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        2. was?‏ @umruehren 9 Jun 2018
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          Is this about levels of description? Every system ultimately runs on the ground truth transition function, so nothing is a simulation, but if we don't impose functional subsystem-boundaries we're lost -- and yours is: consciousness is computational, substrate is a distraction?

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Jun 2018
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          Many patterns are not part of the ground truth but only emerge from the perspective of an observer, like a glider in a cellular automaton.

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        2. Eli Parra  🌊‏ @elzr 9 Jun 2018
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          This is blowing my mind, specially when tied with the glider example. If you arrange a set of dominoes to compute whether or not a number is prime: the falling dominoes are the ground truth, the algorithm, number & primality are simulacra? Where can I read more about this view?

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 9 Jun 2018
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          The algorithm can be a causally stringent emergent pattern. A simulacrum usually lacks causal stringency. An emulated computer is functionally a computer, while the simulacrum of a computer only pretends to be one.

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