I disagree that these terms are always predicated on the way one is born and not on learned behavior by ones environment.
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Replying to @ProfDancy @Plinz
Agreed, I think Joscha misunderstands “toxic masculinity” etc. here, it is a learned behaviour, an over-indentification, a rigid interpretation of a fairly random set of identifiers, that should be seen in a fluid way. But of course, the final conclusion is a no-brainer.
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Replying to @pieceoplastic @ProfDancy
I think that there is no reason to not let people be whoever they want. To me, the idea of toxic
$ness is that some identities are evil, INDEPENDENTLY of what you do to others. Behaviors can be toxic, identities are not. Being masculine is not a behavior.1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
Replying to @Plinz @ProfDancy
Semantic argument. The term toxic masculinity refers to a type of behaviour not the gender.
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Replying to @pieceoplastic @ProfDancy
Which is exactly why I think it is the wrong term.
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Replying to @Plinz @ProfDancy
The term is not the issue though. The misogynistic (and sexist) behaviour is. And that exists.
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Replying to @pieceoplastic @ProfDancy
Exactly. Which is why terms that encourage misogyny, misandry and mutual sexism should be avoided.
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Replying to @Plinz @ProfDancy
This is getting absurd. How could a term encourage such behaviour? It describes a type of behaviour, that stems from a rigid understanding gender. The goal is to name it and discourage it.
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Replying to @pieceoplastic @ProfDancy
Could you point me to evidence that the term successfully converts people exposing toxic behavior, instead of deepening social divides along identities?
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Replying to @Plinz @ProfDancy
This is a bizarre reversal of responsibilities. Can you point me to any term, that has managed in and off itself to convert anyone to anything? A terms goal is to name. Should we also not call rapists rapists anymore because it might encourage them to rape more?
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The extension of the term rape has both increased the number of people being called rapists and probably also reduced actual sexual violence. The invention of the term "toxic masculinity" (which is a very recent thing) may not have the same effect.
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Btw, the idea that people are responsible to behave according to YOUR norms (not to what they themselves believe to be right) is the bizarre one.
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Replying to @Plinz @ProfDancy
You should refresh on Karl Popper. The paradox of tolerance to start with.
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