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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @egrefen @timkindberg @filippie509

      Agree w @egrefen here, too, but find that no matter how hard I advocate for hybrid models people always think I am arguing against all of ML... I think ML will play a huge role in AGI, but only w proper biases, including representations of operations over variables.

      2 replies 1 retweet 12 likes
    2. Shlomo Engelson Argamon‏ @ShlomoArgamon 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @GaryMarcus @egrefen and

      Properly understood, #MachineLearning is the study of the relationship of biases to what can be learned with each (and how to implement them computationally). It's bias, all the way down.

      1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
    3. Gary Marcus‏ @GaryMarcus 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @ShlomoArgamon @egrefen and

      and yet innateness is a dirty word in ML. amazing.

      1 reply 1 retweet 2 likes
    4. Thomas G. Dietterich‏ @tdietterich 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @gchrupala @GaryMarcus and

      Gary, are you really arguing that anything you can't get your ML algorithm to do, you can just build in and declare it to be "innate". It is totally ad hoc science to rely on innateness to solve your machine learning problems.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @tdietterich @gchrupala and

      Gary seems to think that nature's evolutionary search has resulted in parameters that cannot be found by any artificial search. The idea is so obviously flawed that it may be driven by motivated reasoning, i.e. an identification with a particular perspective rather than insight.

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    6. Tim Kindberg‏ @timkindberg 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @tdietterich and

      Parameters? Evolution has built a *system*. In what space does one 'artificially search' for one of those?

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @timkindberg @tdietterich and

      A system is a machine that can be described by a single global transition function (if the function changes you have a different system). Building a system amounts to traversing the implementation space of transition functions. There is no magic boundary between biology and comp

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    8. Tim Kindberg‏ @timkindberg 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @tdietterich and

      Actually a system is an arbitrary concurrent, interactive union of what you describe, including nondeterminism. You're going to search in that space?

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    9. How does it work‏ @generuso 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @timkindberg @Plinz and

      I doubt anyone really thinks that "nature's evolutionary search has resulted in parameters that cannot be found by any artificial search" -- only that the kinds or learning presently used in AI are not 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 kind of search.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 1 Jun 2018
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      Replying to @generuso @timkindberg and

      Afaik this thing that nobody really thinks that is actually the point of Marcus and Chollet, when they refer to innateness.

      3:15 PM - 1 Jun 2018
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        2. How does it work‏ @generuso 1 Jun 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @timkindberg and

          How does it work Retweeted How does it work

          We need new insights, to guide our experimentation (call it guided evolution) towards architectures with much more powerful built-in structure. Hinton's critique of CNN is a small step in just that direction:https://twitter.com/generuso/status/1000412922722562050 …

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          Replying to @xbresson @IntuitMachine
          A quote from Hinton: "There are a lot of things in which NN are quite unlike the brain and that I believe are making them work not as well as they could... I want to build explicit notion of [natural] entities into the architecture of NN." https://youtu.be/rTawFwUvnLE?t=87 …
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