Suppose I suggested you can have a distinguishable solid subsystem of a fuzzy system. Distinguishing objects in the environment is fuzzy, assigning meaning to "three" is fuzzy, but once counting and naming is done, the arithmetic subsystem is locally quite solid.
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Yes! Rationality works, when it does, because somehow inferences within the mathematical system turn out to be true-enough in the real world.
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Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky and
To me it looks as if you literally fell into a different universe when AI did not work for you, one that exists only in approximate and nebulous and ultimately mysterious ways. Eliezer never had that trauma, he never had his universe break on him.
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Replying to @Plinz @ESYudkowsky and
Aha! So we can tunnel between universes through intellectual disappointment?! Cool!! This has massive practical implications.
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Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky and
Yes, we do. One of our deep needs (meaning dimensions) is our longing for reality. This need is filled by the hallucinations we produce to predict sensory data. I you change the hallucination generators near the root level, your experienced reality and degree of realness changes
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Replying to @MimeticValue @Meaningness and
Yes! Don't you feel it in the morning, how your mind pushes its tentacles not towards light, but towards a sense of comprehensive reality? And how you'd suffer it you could not reach it, struggling and gasping as you would for air?
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Replying to @MimeticValue @Meaningness and
No, most people don't have a strong need for their reality to be true. That might be an acquired taste (and is called rationalism). Most people prefer mystery, magic, tales of friendship and revelation, especially after they get downstream dependencies.
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Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and
The great Chapman has decided that since there are topics where candidates for truth can not be found (AI), there can be no universal discernment methods. His connection to ground truth is severed, and he doubts to even have the language to properly say that it does not exist.
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I am still angry at a certain vacuum cleaner salesman for having broken a brilliant mind. Then again, perhaps we would have lost a significant philosopher and potential Buddhist reformator to the maintenance of OpenAI gym competitions.
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