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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @ArtirKel @juliagalef

      This has several moving parts, so it’s a bit complicated. First, there is no clear definition of “objective” or “objectively true,” as far as I have been able to discover. There are several pretty different uses that are all quite vague.

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky and

      Under some reasonable interpretations of “objectively true,” there aren’t any outside math and possibly QFT. Under some other reasonable interpretations, lots of things are objectively true. Lots of arguments founder on this contrast.

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    3. Eliezer Yudkowsky‏Verified account @ESYudkowsky 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @ArtirKel @juliagalef

      Suppose I suggested you can have a distinguishable solid subsystem of a fuzzy system. Distinguishing objects in the environment is fuzzy, assigning meaning to "three" is fuzzy, but once counting and naming is done, the arithmetic subsystem is locally quite solid.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @ESYudkowsky @ArtirKel @juliagalef

      Yes! Rationality works, when it does, because somehow inferences within the mathematical system turn out to be true-enough in the real world.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky and

      To me it looks as if you literally fell into a different universe when AI did not work for you, one that exists only in approximate and nebulous and ultimately mysterious ways. Eliezer never had that trauma, he never had his universe break on him.

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @Plinz @ESYudkowsky and

      Aha! So we can tunnel between universes through intellectual disappointment?! Cool!! This has massive practical implications.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky and

      Yes, we do. One of our deep needs (meaning dimensions) is our longing for reality. This need is filled by the hallucinations we produce to predict sensory data. I you change the hallucination generators near the root level, your experienced reality and degree of realness changes

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    8. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @MimeticValue @Meaningness and

      Yes! Don't you feel it in the morning, how your mind pushes its tentacles not towards light, but towards a sense of comprehensive reality? And how you'd suffer it you could not reach it, struggling and gasping as you would for air?

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 May 2018
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      Replying to @MimeticValue @Meaningness and

      No, most people don't have a strong need for their reality to be true. That might be an acquired taste (and is called rationalism). Most people prefer mystery, magic, tales of friendship and revelation, especially after they get downstream dependencies.

      9:06 PM - 28 May 2018 from Cambridge, MA
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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 May 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and

          The great Chapman has decided that since there are topics where candidates for truth can not be found (AI), there can be no universal discernment methods. His connection to ground truth is severed, and he doubts to even have the language to properly say that it does not exist.

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        3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 28 May 2018
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          Replying to @Plinz @MimeticValue and

          I am still angry at a certain vacuum cleaner salesman for having broken a brilliant mind. Then again, perhaps we would have lost a significant philosopher and potential Buddhist reformator to the maintenance of OpenAI gym competitions.

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