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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      These economic models may possibly fix the nightmare of ecological collapse that we are grappling with today. Unfortunately, the nuts and bolts of these models are lost in history, during the colonial occupation of India. But they can be reimagined & adapted to the current world.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      There is no sacredness in ancient revelations. The old culture must have gotten things right we forgot how to understand, but it also failed and died, which is precisely why we don’t understand it any more. Don’t try to revive old cult ware by booting it up in your innocent brain

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      Seriously, do you want to live in any version of India that existed a thousand years ago? You probably don’t get to pick and choose which parts of modernity you can carry back into your pastoral feudalist utopia.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      I understand this nostalgia is your identity, like mine is the bittersweet world of German eternalist romanticism, but it is just as wrong. The universe does not work this way. You only feel it should, because the identity fixes it to that target value.

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    5. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      You are not a scholar of the history of science, Joscha. If you were, you would see how often the Greeks & Romans are referred to in the western academia for every single thing. Scientific culture, just like any culture, develops with a history. It is important to realize this.

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    6. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      Improper evaluation of history, which obscures a significant part of human civilization, will produce a sub-optimal vision for the future of science. I am not saying we go back to a pastoralist past of Vedic India. I am claiming the future as an Indian who knows his past.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      No, you are just a human being that identifies with a bunch of partially untranslatable stories about a failed civilization, while living in multiple layers of failing modernist ones.

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    8. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      I am completely within my right to correct the misunderstandings about my own culture, and to decide how much I choose to identify with it. Just as you are.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      Of course. I am not criticizing your culture. I am criticizing the idea of identifying with a culture.

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    10. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      I don't know if I mentioned this to you in one of our previous conversations. But this hacker koan of Marvin Minsky comes to my mind. You cannot close your eyes and say I am not identifying with any culture. You always do, even if you are ignorant of it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10970937 …

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      No, that is precisely the affliction that marks your condition. You cannot imagine not to identify with a culture. You are like a theist that cannot truly understand how to not believe in God.

      11:36 PM - 27 May 2018
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        2. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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          Much to the contrary. I not only can imagine the state of not identifying with a culture, but also consider this to be an ideal state to realize. But unlike you, I see this as a very long and challenging process that cannot be done trivially.

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        3. vakibs‏ @vakibs 28 May 2018
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          Your understanding of the state of "no bias" is as simplistic as the Greco-roman notion of zero. The Indian understanding is very different. The notion of zero is as difficult to grasp as the notion of infinity. They are equivalent because one is the negation of the other.

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