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FOLLOWS YOU. Artificial Intelligence, Cognitive Architectures, Computation. The goal is integrity, not conformity.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      Not only is the individual selected by its culture, the cultures are selected among each other. Some cultures win in this next layer of the evolution, and on average because they encourage more successful models of reality.

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    2. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      You think somebody who wins in reality TV is a good scientist? :)

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    3. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      It will be more accurate to phrase "survival of the fittest" as the "survival of the most sucking up". Sucking up to the environment means adaption. If the environment is good, it may lead to truth. But there is absolutely no guarantee. Most likely, the environment is delusional.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      Why? It just means that you have to relax your identification with the culture, and measure how helpful it actually is. And then improve everything you can.

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    5. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      It simply means you have to decouple your quest for truth from the environment. These are two independent variables.

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    6. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      You cannot deny your own conscious experience as the ultimate arbiter for truth. Now with this established, psychic or any such visions have to be evaluated on the exact same criteria as science: reliability, usefulness, creative capacity for new predictions etc.

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    7. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      I am regularly discovering how my own conscious experience fudges my memory. My experience cannot be the arbiter of truth, because I have proven it to be unreliable. But I have discovered a few good things about making proofs!

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    8. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      Every mathematical proof you make is arbitrated by your own conscious experience. A proof is useless for a dead man. A dead man cannot also discover if the proof is incorrect or if the assumptions are unjustified. I see mathematical proof as a means for supporting consciousness.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      Consciousness is a means, even though people like you and me might feel that it is the end. Its purpose is integration of regulation.

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    10. vakibs‏ @vakibs 27 May 2018
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      I don't think so. There is no objective for evolution in the grander scale. Consciusness is not a means for anything. Lots of life (and matter) thrive in perfectly non-conscious lifestyles. If we posit some argument for directionality, we can as well say consciousness is the end.

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      Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 27 May 2018
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      That is true. Evolution tends to set you up in such a way that the minimization of your expected future suffering is aligned with your evolutionary success, though. Reducing suffering gives rise to the value of awareness and integration, for which consciousness is the means.

      1:06 PM - 27 May 2018 from Massachusetts, USA
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